1 00:00:04,579 --> 00:00:02,450 like a curse or a hex this is life this 2 00:00:36,770 --> 00:00:04,589 wheelbarrow full of regrets I do this 3 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:36,780 for my family ting ladies and gentlemen 4 00:00:41,030 --> 00:00:39,809 welcome to the den of lore grab your 5 00:00:43,190 --> 00:00:41,040 glasses of scotch 6 00:00:45,950 --> 00:00:43,200 pull your chair up to the fire because 7 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:45,960 we're gonna learn some very cool 8 00:00:51,729 --> 00:00:49,530 courtesy of Vinny's McNeal one of the 9 00:00:55,700 --> 00:00:51,739 wonderful beautiful amazing minds behind 10 00:00:57,229 --> 00:00:55,710 magical Egypt series one and two and I 11 00:00:58,790 --> 00:00:57,239 know she's I'm watching her on the video 12 00:00:59,599 --> 00:00:58,800 screen right now which you can't see and 13 00:01:01,400 --> 00:00:59,609 she's kind of blushing 14 00:01:04,219 --> 00:01:01,410 cuz I'm I talked her up because she is 15 00:01:06,399 --> 00:01:04,229 that awesome and we're gonna be talking 16 00:01:10,070 --> 00:01:06,409 about magical Egypt behind the scenes 17 00:01:16,999 --> 00:01:10,080 for what will very well be our last live 18 00:01:18,679 --> 00:01:17,009 show for the year 2017 now I said that 19 00:01:21,289 --> 00:01:18,689 last year was going to be the last show 20 00:01:23,570 --> 00:01:21,299 or last show as they did last show and I 21 00:01:26,300 --> 00:01:23,580 kind of lied about that because Venise 22 00:01:28,249 --> 00:01:26,310 was available and she is so awesome and 23 00:01:30,679 --> 00:01:28,259 sweet and amazing that she said yes 24 00:01:33,590 --> 00:01:30,689 Chris I will come on your show and we 25 00:01:35,749 --> 00:01:33,600 will talk some business and talk some 26 00:01:37,190 --> 00:01:35,759 amazing marketing of magical Egypt 27 00:01:40,100 --> 00:01:37,200 series two and give people a 28 00:01:44,870 --> 00:01:40,110 behind-the-scenes look for our November 29 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:44,880 masterclass which I am actually going to 30 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:47,369 be making available to everyone for this 31 00:01:52,550 --> 00:01:51,210 month for the live show because I think 32 00:01:55,069 --> 00:01:52,560 everyone should have a chance but we'll 33 00:01:56,810 --> 00:01:55,079 see her live and see this happen and 34 00:01:58,899 --> 00:01:56,820 it's an early Christmas present to all 35 00:02:01,700 --> 00:01:58,909 of you out there and to everyone who is 36 00:02:03,230 --> 00:02:01,710 in our patreon list enter master class 37 00:02:07,910 --> 00:02:03,240 and illustrious master list you'll be 38 00:02:13,220 --> 00:02:11,210 right after we are done on patreon so 39 00:02:15,260 --> 00:02:13,230 but well I'm sure I want to make sure 40 00:02:17,210 --> 00:02:15,270 that we do this actually live because 41 00:02:20,630 --> 00:02:17,220 Phineas is very excited about being on 42 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:20,640 the radio I'm like okay well we'll make 43 00:02:24,590 --> 00:02:23,250 this a we'll make this a a live thing 44 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:24,600 okay that's cool 45 00:02:41,300 --> 00:02:28,290 for very well and Vinnies welcome to the 46 00:02:43,130 --> 00:02:41,310 dental or thank you so much and for that 47 00:02:45,620 --> 00:02:43,140 the privilege is all mine and for all of 48 00:02:47,180 --> 00:02:45,630 us to have you on here again for having 49 00:02:49,340 --> 00:02:47,190 gotten to know you over the last nine 50 00:02:50,780 --> 00:02:49,350 months you're probably one of the 51 00:02:54,229 --> 00:02:50,790 coolest people and most amazing people I 52 00:02:55,670 --> 00:02:54,239 know and just as amazing as our patrons 53 00:02:59,449 --> 00:02:55,680 who support the show and ensure that we 54 00:03:01,309 --> 00:02:59,459 can do this show we can week out you 55 00:03:02,630 --> 00:03:01,319 know it for all the patrons who are out 56 00:03:05,090 --> 00:03:02,640 there you guys know me you know what 57 00:03:07,610 --> 00:03:05,100 I've been going through 120 hour work 58 00:03:11,690 --> 00:03:07,620 weeks the last six a month and a half 59 00:03:15,020 --> 00:03:11,700 plus building a nursery and yeah I'm 60 00:03:18,380 --> 00:03:15,030 hoping to have some audio episodes up on 61 00:03:21,289 --> 00:03:18,390 the patreon list coming tomorrow that's 62 00:03:24,099 --> 00:03:21,299 if my wife is not actually in labor but 63 00:03:26,150 --> 00:03:24,109 she may actually have started as 64 00:03:28,460 --> 00:03:26,160 apparently she may be feeling 65 00:03:30,310 --> 00:03:28,470 contractions at the moment so if I 66 00:03:33,319 --> 00:03:30,320 cancel the rest of this broadcast 67 00:03:35,990 --> 00:03:33,329 suddenly then expect that you'll have a 68 00:03:39,500 --> 00:03:36,000 new a new denizen at some point but you 69 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:39,510 know for our are like Venise you know 70 00:03:44,349 --> 00:03:41,970 you you're a part of one of the most 71 00:03:47,780 --> 00:03:44,359 coolest mini-series on the planet and 72 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:47,790 you know you know that for any type of 73 00:03:52,729 --> 00:03:50,010 content even if somebody is watching it 74 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:52,739 for free it still doesn't it's still not 75 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:54,090 free to produce there is there was costs 76 00:03:58,370 --> 00:03:56,130 involved and just like with this show 77 00:04:00,530 --> 00:03:58,380 you know we have a dedicated internet 78 00:04:03,140 --> 00:04:00,540 line we have a web server we've got a 79 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:03,150 web server for our store we you know I I 80 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:05,970 have long distance plan as well as as 81 00:04:08,780 --> 00:04:07,290 well as a telephone number that we can 82 00:04:11,900 --> 00:04:08,790 talk to most of our American guests 83 00:04:13,940 --> 00:04:11,910 which is paid for and now that we 84 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:13,950 actually have individuals who were 85 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:17,370 bringing on board that can help me from 86 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:20,370 the show as I was mentioned to Venise 87 00:04:21,849 --> 00:04:21,570 it's like I'm the only person here in 88 00:04:23,559 --> 00:04:21,859 Stu 89 00:04:26,020 --> 00:04:23,569 I've got a laptop that connects to my 90 00:04:28,570 --> 00:04:26,030 desktop workstation so I can control the 91 00:04:30,969 --> 00:04:28,580 production from this laptop because I've 92 00:04:33,339 --> 00:04:30,979 got nobody else here and we have some 93 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:33,349 denizens who are bringing in that part 94 00:04:37,179 --> 00:04:35,330 of the patreon donation is going to be 95 00:04:39,249 --> 00:04:37,189 going towards them so that I can spend 96 00:04:42,429 --> 00:04:39,259 more time actually producing the show in 97 00:04:45,309 --> 00:04:42,439 terms of research for guests in terms of 98 00:04:46,629 --> 00:04:45,319 the graphics in terms of booking guests 99 00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:46,639 and you know making sure that the 100 00:04:50,170 --> 00:04:48,110 content is as good as possible for you 101 00:04:51,850 --> 00:04:50,180 guys and if if you guys didn't 102 00:04:55,209 --> 00:04:51,860 contribute I wouldn't be able to do that 103 00:04:58,409 --> 00:04:55,219 we'd still be doing no video and I'd 104 00:05:01,059 --> 00:04:58,419 still be upstairs in you know a closet 105 00:05:03,010 --> 00:05:01,069 talking to you guys on a desk that I 106 00:05:05,860 --> 00:05:03,020 built for myself out of plywood and some 107 00:05:07,149 --> 00:05:05,870 particle board so you know to our 108 00:05:07,990 --> 00:05:07,159 illustrious masters first I want to 109 00:05:10,749 --> 00:05:08,000 thank you very much for your support 110 00:05:13,779 --> 00:05:10,759 over the last several months Jackie from 111 00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:13,789 across the pond in addition also to Pat 112 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:15,889 from Brooklyn Pat just to give you a 113 00:05:19,899 --> 00:05:17,810 heads up you did win the November 114 00:05:22,510 --> 00:05:19,909 contest email me you get a 115 00:05:24,159 --> 00:05:22,520 custom-designed t-shirt if you want that 116 00:05:26,589 --> 00:05:24,169 man you don't let me know so I can get 117 00:05:29,379 --> 00:05:26,599 it to you before Christmas and to our 118 00:05:31,629 --> 00:05:29,389 masters leave out Minh wanted to Chuck 119 00:05:34,990 --> 00:05:31,639 Schwartz a to Antonio Martinez Frederick 120 00:05:37,510 --> 00:05:35,000 Johnson Jared Thompson mrs. Fox Rosa's 121 00:05:39,249 --> 00:05:37,520 Wayne Joshua Ematic and our den mother 122 00:05:41,890 --> 00:05:39,259 Ellen mccurdy who I've seen in chat 123 00:05:43,450 --> 00:05:41,900 again for anyone who's joining us thank 124 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:43,460 you very much as well as to mark 125 00:05:48,249 --> 00:05:46,610 Catalano who is you may need to update 126 00:05:50,439 --> 00:05:48,259 your patreon list because you're still 127 00:05:51,670 --> 00:05:50,449 being listed as a fellow craft even 128 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:51,680 though you are have been a master for 129 00:05:58,089 --> 00:05:55,490 the last several months and to the rest 130 00:06:01,329 --> 00:05:58,099 of our patrons to charles davis to da 131 00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:01,339 mayor to matthew Toth to the-- hago who 132 00:06:05,649 --> 00:06:04,310 recently just joined with us as well as 133 00:06:07,749 --> 00:06:05,659 Michael echo of Dean John Kenward 134 00:06:10,499 --> 00:06:07,759 Anthony Derry Atlantic Koosh the best 135 00:06:13,179 --> 00:06:10,509 name ever and Venise from magical egypt 136 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:13,189 who does contribute to the show thank 137 00:06:18,219 --> 00:06:15,050 you very much as well as to sentient 138 00:06:19,779 --> 00:06:18,229 Christopher moody and Robin Weebly you 139 00:06:21,490 --> 00:06:19,789 guys the reason why dint of lore exists 140 00:06:24,249 --> 00:06:21,500 and you're the reason why I do this show 141 00:06:26,170 --> 00:06:24,259 it's your passion and your love of this 142 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:26,180 content manner and the fact that we say 143 00:06:31,870 --> 00:06:28,370 whatever the we want on air 144 00:06:34,510 --> 00:06:31,880 unrestricted by commercials or corporate 145 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:36,670 any sponsors that we do have it is you 146 00:06:42,129 --> 00:06:38,930 guys your you are our sponsors I make 147 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:42,139 the show for you so to you thank you 148 00:06:46,749 --> 00:06:42,770 very much 149 00:06:49,499 --> 00:06:46,759 Happy Holidays Merry Christmas 150 00:06:52,990 --> 00:06:49,509 you know Happy Hanukkah happy Kwanzaa 151 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:53,000 what what whatever you subscribe to as 152 00:06:58,719 --> 00:06:56,690 far as a faith or a religion if your 153 00:07:02,020 --> 00:06:58,729 holiday season is this month I bid you 154 00:07:03,610 --> 00:07:02,030 the best possible so that is the only 155 00:07:11,890 --> 00:07:03,620 commercial you hear on the show and you 156 00:07:13,450 --> 00:07:11,900 can go to patreon.com/scishow as well so 157 00:07:15,730 --> 00:07:13,460 that is all I have 158 00:07:17,950 --> 00:07:15,740 and Venise one thing I do have or don't 159 00:07:19,629 --> 00:07:17,960 have is your written bio so I can't 160 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:19,639 actually write your bio out or read your 161 00:07:26,050 --> 00:07:23,690 bio out which is good because apparently 162 00:07:28,659 --> 00:07:26,060 I will not butcher any names that you 163 00:07:31,029 --> 00:07:28,669 may have or any because that's a so guys 164 00:07:33,550 --> 00:07:31,039 if you're looking for the if Chris 165 00:07:35,529 --> 00:07:33,560 butchers a name or a pronunciation take 166 00:07:36,670 --> 00:07:35,539 a shot just take a shot because I'm just 167 00:07:41,469 --> 00:07:36,680 saying that that's your free shot for 168 00:07:43,930 --> 00:07:41,479 the day well do you want me to give a 169 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:43,940 little bit of a background um if you 170 00:07:48,550 --> 00:07:46,250 could and also we'll be talking about 171 00:07:50,709 --> 00:07:48,560 that in the discord server Bram has it 172 00:07:54,939 --> 00:07:50,719 in the show notes and I'll be putting 173 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:54,949 that in the show notes links so so if 174 00:07:59,020 --> 00:07:56,210 you could that'd be much appreciated 175 00:08:01,510 --> 00:07:59,030 thank you no problem sweetie um my 176 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:01,520 background really is production I have 177 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:05,330 done television production for kind of 178 00:08:14,410 --> 00:08:12,530 thirty years perhaps and indirect 179 00:08:16,310 --> 00:08:14,420 marketing as well so I kind of did 180 00:08:19,340 --> 00:08:16,320 television production for direct 181 00:08:21,650 --> 00:08:19,350 marketing and then in 2000 I met the 182 00:08:24,230 --> 00:08:21,660 love of my life which is mr. Chan's 183 00:08:26,990 --> 00:08:24,240 gardener and we fell in love and since 184 00:08:29,630 --> 00:08:27,000 then we've been working together to 185 00:08:32,210 --> 00:08:29,640 produce and to market these shows 186 00:08:33,890 --> 00:08:32,220 primarily and we still occasionally have 187 00:08:37,010 --> 00:08:33,900 to take some commercial work but that's 188 00:08:43,010 --> 00:08:37,020 kind of really what I've been doing for 189 00:08:44,900 --> 00:08:43,020 the last period no I think it's quite 190 00:08:49,190 --> 00:08:44,910 awesome you actually have your own IDM 191 00:08:51,500 --> 00:08:49,200 be entry which it's it that was the 192 00:08:53,870 --> 00:08:51,510 extent of the research that I was able 193 00:08:55,730 --> 00:08:53,880 to do with being out of the house today 194 00:08:58,670 --> 00:08:55,740 I was called away on some urgent 195 00:09:02,090 --> 00:08:58,680 business mostly just picking up like 196 00:09:03,620 --> 00:09:02,100 cribs and stuff and but I I know that 197 00:09:05,990 --> 00:09:03,630 you have a fair amount of esoteric work 198 00:09:08,270 --> 00:09:06,000 as well there is a it's not just the 199 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:08,280 commercial work and not just the video 200 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:10,170 production but you also do have a lot of 201 00:09:14,750 --> 00:09:11,970 research that you do on the esoteric 202 00:09:17,030 --> 00:09:14,760 side yes well I mean I've always been 203 00:09:18,770 --> 00:09:17,040 passionate about it and and to be honest 204 00:09:22,460 --> 00:09:18,780 with you my mother died when I was 16 205 00:09:24,860 --> 00:09:22,470 and that really was the impetus to push 206 00:09:27,770 --> 00:09:24,870 me into the whole side of you know 207 00:09:31,220 --> 00:09:27,780 looking into there's more than just this 208 00:09:34,430 --> 00:09:31,230 material world and so when I met chance 209 00:09:37,990 --> 00:09:34,440 I'd already had quite a lot of research 210 00:09:41,450 --> 00:09:38,000 under my belt and primarily I would say 211 00:09:44,150 --> 00:09:41,460 work along the line of initiatic work 212 00:09:48,530 --> 00:09:44,160 trying to really improve myself trying 213 00:09:50,570 --> 00:09:48,540 to build myself trying to be all that I 214 00:09:55,210 --> 00:09:50,580 could be and that really is a really 215 00:09:57,830 --> 00:09:55,220 interesting journey to to be an initiate 216 00:10:01,580 --> 00:09:57,840 self initiated initiate but you know to 217 00:10:04,460 --> 00:10:01,590 be on the path of really bettering 218 00:10:06,890 --> 00:10:04,470 yourself and so when I met chance we had 219 00:10:10,070 --> 00:10:06,900 a lot to talk about and a lot in common 220 00:10:12,410 --> 00:10:10,080 and so since that point we've kind of 221 00:10:15,230 --> 00:10:12,420 directed the focus a little bit more 222 00:10:17,330 --> 00:10:15,240 into things that are in line with the 223 00:10:20,630 --> 00:10:17,340 story that we want to tell but yes I I 224 00:10:23,450 --> 00:10:20,640 my father was a freemason and he really 225 00:10:26,540 --> 00:10:23,460 um talk to us as since we were children 226 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:26,550 about things that were on the esoteric 227 00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:28,770 and occult side of things for sure well 228 00:10:31,310 --> 00:10:29,910 that was one thing you didn't mention 229 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:31,320 before but it makes a little bit more 230 00:10:37,340 --> 00:10:33,090 sense so ladies and gentleman yes 231 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:37,350 Illuminati confirmed just put that out 232 00:10:51,650 --> 00:10:40,650 there we are we control the six biggest 233 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:51,660 cat companies on the planet Master 234 00:10:58,250 --> 00:10:53,970 Masons I'm not even really sure what 235 00:11:00,050 --> 00:10:58,260 that means but but I do know that the 236 00:11:01,730 --> 00:11:00,060 thing he would rub our back every night 237 00:11:03,290 --> 00:11:01,740 as we were going to sleep and we would 238 00:11:06,110 --> 00:11:03,300 ask questions like what would happen 239 00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:06,120 when you die and daddy had really good 240 00:11:11,570 --> 00:11:08,910 answers for those kinds of questions one 241 00:11:16,190 --> 00:11:11,580 thing that I noticed from especially 242 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:16,200 with with Masonic teachings and III post 243 00:11:22,220 --> 00:11:19,290 Graham this notice if he knew it at that 244 00:11:24,370 --> 00:11:22,230 point you know when you're a fan of a 245 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:24,380 writer an author and you have no 246 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:26,970 connection to this world as far as 247 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:28,410 broadcasting the research in the 248 00:11:31,730 --> 00:11:29,970 broadcast of that research to 249 00:11:32,930 --> 00:11:31,740 individuals on podcasts and radio shows 250 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:32,940 and what-have-you 251 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:34,890 most of the time if you're talking to a 252 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:36,450 an author and you just come up with a 253 00:11:41,660 --> 00:11:38,490 crazy crackpot theory and you you know 254 00:11:43,460 --> 00:11:41,670 express it over like several pages of 255 00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:43,470 Facebook text they generally don't read 256 00:11:48,110 --> 00:11:44,670 it because they're busy people and 257 00:11:49,940 --> 00:11:48,120 you're just a guy so I had this whole 258 00:11:51,770 --> 00:11:49,950 thing where it's like I watch this talk 259 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:51,780 and you're talking about - the Egyptian 260 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:55,290 Way of the afterlife and and how there's 261 00:12:00,200 --> 00:11:58,170 the Duat and how the person's heart is 262 00:12:03,710 --> 00:12:00,210 weighed against a feather etc etc etc 263 00:12:04,460 --> 00:12:03,720 and there was a lot of similarities 264 00:12:09,740 --> 00:12:04,470 between the two 265 00:12:12,260 --> 00:12:09,750 and you know the the knowledge has been 266 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:12,270 passed on or at least it seems to be 267 00:12:16,490 --> 00:12:14,160 very parallel or similar to a lot of the 268 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:16,500 information that was available 5,000 269 00:12:23,090 --> 00:12:20,310 years ago four thousand years ago but 270 00:12:27,140 --> 00:12:23,100 from that teachings that he that at 271 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:27,150 least he explained to you how how was 272 00:12:30,980 --> 00:12:29,550 this something that he had done over the 273 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:30,990 extended period of time like did he 274 00:12:34,970 --> 00:12:33,450 become a Mason while 275 00:12:37,699 --> 00:12:34,980 you know you were growing up or was it 276 00:12:43,420 --> 00:12:37,709 something that happened before well my 277 00:12:45,410 --> 00:12:43,430 father was blind when I was born and he 278 00:12:48,769 --> 00:12:45,420 had a kind of a really interesting 279 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:48,779 journey he ended up being the largest 280 00:12:53,590 --> 00:12:50,850 privately owned printing company in 281 00:12:56,180 --> 00:12:53,600 Australia but as far as his journey 282 00:12:59,540 --> 00:12:56,190 within Freemasonry 283 00:13:02,300 --> 00:12:59,550 I don't know that much about it my my 284 00:13:04,790 --> 00:13:02,310 exposure to Freemasonry was that we 285 00:13:07,009 --> 00:13:04,800 would go to like the Christmas party you 286 00:13:08,780 --> 00:13:07,019 know and my father would perform and the 287 00:13:11,079 --> 00:13:08,790 ladies were allowed to come and that was 288 00:13:15,050 --> 00:13:11,089 kind of my exposure to it but he also 289 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:15,060 produced a published a book in Australia 290 00:13:20,509 --> 00:13:17,730 called the guide to the occult and so he 291 00:13:24,470 --> 00:13:20,519 honestly had a passion for this 292 00:13:26,420 --> 00:13:24,480 information as well so I can't really 293 00:13:28,370 --> 00:13:26,430 speak to his journey within the lodge 294 00:13:31,460 --> 00:13:28,380 but I know that there was an interest 295 00:13:33,710 --> 00:13:31,470 there and I mean as kids when we were in 296 00:13:35,569 --> 00:13:33,720 bed even really you know six or seven 297 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:35,579 years of age we weren't asking questions 298 00:13:40,759 --> 00:13:37,050 about baseball or football we were 299 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:40,769 asking questions about the occult and so 300 00:13:47,569 --> 00:13:44,010 we really had a great founding as we 301 00:13:48,980 --> 00:13:47,579 were growing up and I'm just I'm just 302 00:13:50,210 --> 00:13:48,990 actually looking this looking this up 303 00:13:52,699 --> 00:13:50,220 because I think it's actually been shown 304 00:13:54,230 --> 00:13:52,709 to me before by my brother-in-law it may 305 00:13:55,910 --> 00:13:54,240 have been he'll he'll probably correct 306 00:13:59,090 --> 00:13:55,920 me if I'm wrong last time I was in 307 00:14:04,540 --> 00:13:59,100 Australia it was a very festive time for 308 00:14:07,340 --> 00:14:04,550 me so some some details are hazy but 309 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:07,350 your your this is available right now in 310 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:08,250 the National Library of Australia 311 00:14:14,300 --> 00:14:11,970 collection if I'm not mistaken yes it is 312 00:14:16,220 --> 00:14:14,310 when neil publications and it's called 313 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:16,230 the guide to the occult and it was 314 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:18,930 written by lance Whitledge yes that's 315 00:14:31,460 --> 00:14:28,819 Google one wonderful thing yes what what 316 00:14:34,759 --> 00:14:31,470 no publications really amazing Lance was 317 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:34,769 a big esotericist and so Lance was able 318 00:14:39,199 --> 00:14:37,110 you know what tales ever remember as a 319 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:39,209 child tell stories of moving things with 320 00:14:43,699 --> 00:14:41,010 his mind and all kinds of things it was 321 00:14:45,590 --> 00:14:43,709 very very interesting Lance and he's 322 00:14:47,119 --> 00:14:45,600 unfort well as my father has passed away 323 00:14:50,210 --> 00:14:47,129 a long time ago 324 00:14:52,369 --> 00:14:50,220 but yeah we were we had you know ghost 325 00:14:54,860 --> 00:14:52,379 movements in our house and all kinds of 326 00:15:00,590 --> 00:14:54,870 things so we were we had a very 327 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:00,600 interesting exposure to the esoteric and 328 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:02,730 the occult absolutely and I'm also 329 00:15:08,239 --> 00:15:04,110 seeing some other books that are under 330 00:15:12,019 --> 00:15:08,249 his name as well let's see what fishes 331 00:15:13,910 --> 00:15:12,029 that catch a trout I mean we had 332 00:15:16,850 --> 00:15:13,920 something like 22 fishing books as well 333 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:16,860 and so my father had a publishing 334 00:15:23,569 --> 00:15:19,470 company and he couldn't get the books 335 00:15:25,970 --> 00:15:23,579 printed because there was a monopoly in 336 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:25,980 Australia and so my father started a 337 00:15:30,319 --> 00:15:28,410 printing company as well and so we 338 00:15:33,379 --> 00:15:30,329 printed all of those books we printed 339 00:15:34,730 --> 00:15:33,389 lots of magazines and he had a really as 340 00:15:36,739 --> 00:15:34,740 I said it was the largest privately 341 00:15:40,249 --> 00:15:36,749 owned printing company for a while and 342 00:15:42,499 --> 00:15:40,259 then what happened was that the monopoly 343 00:15:44,660 --> 00:15:42,509 didn't appreciate this up and comer and 344 00:15:47,119 --> 00:15:44,670 so they dropped their prices 345 00:15:49,699 --> 00:15:47,129 significantly to put him out of business 346 00:15:53,449 --> 00:15:49,709 and my father sold the business just 347 00:15:56,869 --> 00:15:53,459 before that happened and that was kind 348 00:16:00,799 --> 00:15:56,879 of interesting so anyway you you always 349 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:00,809 had that that's that exposure to this to 350 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:02,370 this world you know from from a young 351 00:16:08,929 --> 00:16:06,930 age and yes and marketing all of those 352 00:16:13,429 --> 00:16:08,939 kinds of things together and so I'm 353 00:16:14,650 --> 00:16:13,439 really very much the result of that um 354 00:16:18,439 --> 00:16:14,660 I'd say it's a pretty good result 355 00:16:20,569 --> 00:16:18,449 there's marketing is a good world to be 356 00:16:22,460 --> 00:16:20,579 and it's it's you know from from the 357 00:16:24,170 --> 00:16:22,470 potentially soon to be maybe very soon 358 00:16:25,249 --> 00:16:24,180 to be father it's it's one of those 359 00:16:27,639 --> 00:16:25,259 things that I hope to build a pass down 360 00:16:29,329 --> 00:16:27,649 to my kids and and it really helps you 361 00:16:34,970 --> 00:16:29,339 understand the world on a more 362 00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:34,980 fundamental level sure I mean III agree 363 00:16:38,090 --> 00:16:36,959 with you it what what I love about it 364 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:38,100 the thing that I think I'm most 365 00:16:42,860 --> 00:16:40,410 passionate about is that you're playing 366 00:16:45,499 --> 00:16:42,870 with people's attention okay and so 367 00:16:47,059 --> 00:16:45,509 you're in the space and you're trying to 368 00:16:48,590 --> 00:16:47,069 figure out what is it that people are 369 00:16:51,379 --> 00:16:48,600 interested in what is it that moves 370 00:16:53,740 --> 00:16:51,389 people and that aspect of it I really 371 00:16:57,230 --> 00:16:53,750 enjoy it the psychology of it is 372 00:16:58,699 --> 00:16:57,240 fascinating to me what the reason I'm so 373 00:16:59,950 --> 00:16:58,709 glad that I don't have to do it 374 00:17:04,000 --> 00:16:59,960 professionally and 375 00:17:06,460 --> 00:17:04,010 is because you feel like you're selling 376 00:17:09,579 --> 00:17:06,470 or I felt like I was selling my soul 377 00:17:11,380 --> 00:17:09,589 trying to use that superpower the 378 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:11,390 products that I didn't believe in right 379 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:13,010 because it really is a superpower 380 00:17:17,890 --> 00:17:14,450 knowing how to get people's attention 381 00:17:19,930 --> 00:17:17,900 it's very powerful stuff and so and 382 00:17:22,329 --> 00:17:19,940 that's chances story to like chance will 383 00:17:24,220 --> 00:17:22,339 say himself that when he worked for Fox 384 00:17:27,370 --> 00:17:24,230 he was using his superpowers to get 385 00:17:30,220 --> 00:17:27,380 attention for the Fox Network and so to 386 00:17:32,380 --> 00:17:30,230 be able to use those superpowers now to 387 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:32,390 share information that I hope people 388 00:17:37,660 --> 00:17:34,850 find interesting and entertaining and 389 00:17:40,030 --> 00:17:37,670 challenging and educational is really a 390 00:17:43,170 --> 00:17:40,040 gift to be able to move out of that into 391 00:17:45,070 --> 00:17:43,180 this now you you said that you met him 392 00:17:47,140 --> 00:17:45,080 several years ago I know that you're 393 00:17:48,790 --> 00:17:47,150 currently listed as one of the co 394 00:17:51,490 --> 00:17:48,800 producers on magical Egypt series one 395 00:17:53,650 --> 00:17:51,500 which I believe is is are you still 396 00:17:57,250 --> 00:17:53,660 having that promotion on magical Egypt 397 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:57,260 as well yes okay so yes yes so if you 398 00:18:01,990 --> 00:17:58,610 want to watch the remastered version I 399 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:02,000 believe the it's 50% off and the promo 400 00:18:08,260 --> 00:18:06,710 code is love LOV yes so oh you can buy 401 00:18:10,030 --> 00:18:08,270 the new series and get the old series 402 00:18:12,130 --> 00:18:10,040 afraid too so there's two ways of doing 403 00:18:14,890 --> 00:18:12,140 it depending on what you want to do but 404 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:14,900 yes we have the DVDs and the digitally 405 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:16,730 remastered version which is streaming 406 00:18:24,100 --> 00:18:19,010 online and yes I'm the co-producer of 407 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:24,110 that and in that at that juncture chance 408 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:26,570 had just come off of being working with 409 00:18:30,910 --> 00:18:28,370 the Fox Network and other networks and 410 00:18:34,270 --> 00:18:30,920 it was very wealthy at that time and so 411 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:34,280 basically he funded the production of 412 00:18:43,060 --> 00:18:38,450 magical a ship one himself and since 413 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:43,070 then things have changed a little bit 414 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:44,690 because he really kind of retired from 415 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:46,850 professional work and I get to be the 416 00:18:51,460 --> 00:18:49,850 executive producer of magical a ship too 417 00:18:53,950 --> 00:18:51,470 because the commercial work that I've 418 00:18:57,610 --> 00:18:53,960 been doing is kind of enabled us to be 419 00:19:02,320 --> 00:18:57,620 able to do that so I was very very nice 420 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:02,330 and he gave me that title how did you 421 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:04,850 two meet if if if this is a story that 422 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:08,930 can be retold it can indeed it was 423 00:19:13,170 --> 00:19:11,450 really funny because chance had worked 424 00:19:16,770 --> 00:19:13,180 out of a studio in Sandy 425 00:19:17,670 --> 00:19:16,780 a go at the same time that I was doing 426 00:19:21,150 --> 00:19:17,680 commercial work 427 00:19:26,490 --> 00:19:21,160 in that studio and we really had never 428 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:26,500 met and ten years later on we there was 429 00:19:30,810 --> 00:19:29,170 a guy there that was a he was his name 430 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:30,820 is Michael scagliotti and he's a dear 431 00:19:34,650 --> 00:19:32,650 friend of both of ours but he'd never 432 00:19:37,650 --> 00:19:34,660 put us together and so I had moved to 433 00:19:39,630 --> 00:19:37,660 New York City and Michael scagliotti was 434 00:19:42,180 --> 00:19:39,640 coming out and our other friend Steve 435 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:42,190 Chapman took chance to a restaurant in 436 00:19:47,910 --> 00:19:45,370 New York and Michael Skaggs said to me 437 00:19:49,170 --> 00:19:47,920 all Venise we're gonna have dinner with 438 00:19:51,150 --> 00:19:49,180 his friend of ours but you're not gonna 439 00:19:59,520 --> 00:19:51,160 like him he's a really really bad boy 440 00:20:03,510 --> 00:19:59,530 and I'm like really bad all kinds of bad 441 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:03,520 things and I'm like oh really and he's I 442 00:20:09,930 --> 00:20:07,090 said Michael what is his name and he 443 00:20:14,670 --> 00:20:09,940 said to me his name is chance and as 444 00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:14,680 soon as I heard his name I knew that he 445 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:16,960 was the one for me and so I went home 446 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:20,170 and I got dressed up in my sexiest duds 447 00:20:24,450 --> 00:20:23,110 that I could imagine and we went to the 448 00:20:26,460 --> 00:20:24,460 restaurant and it was really funny 449 00:20:29,730 --> 00:20:26,470 because Steve Chapman who had this long 450 00:20:31,470 --> 00:20:29,740 lion mane of hair and chance was sitting 451 00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:31,480 right next to each other and he'd cut 452 00:20:35,070 --> 00:20:32,320 off his hair so they had the same 453 00:20:36,930 --> 00:20:35,080 haircut and I walked up and I kind of 454 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:36,940 put my arm around the two guys and as 455 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:39,370 soon as I looked in his eyes it was love 456 00:20:44,130 --> 00:20:40,690 at first sight and we've been together 457 00:20:47,460 --> 00:20:44,140 ever since that is absolutely adorable 458 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:47,470 and you know it's it's I could see that 459 00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,930 I could see that it's in my mom always 460 00:20:57,090 --> 00:20:51,520 says like a you know ladies love a bad 461 00:20:59,160 --> 00:20:57,100 boy you know I mean there was that part 462 00:21:01,710 --> 00:20:59,170 of me I was very much attracted to a bad 463 00:21:03,210 --> 00:21:01,720 boy at that time and I think one of the 464 00:21:05,220 --> 00:21:03,220 really amazing things about our 465 00:21:08,910 --> 00:21:05,230 relationship is that we continue to grow 466 00:21:11,460 --> 00:21:08,920 and we've grown together and to be 467 00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:11,470 honest music playing music and having 468 00:21:16,350 --> 00:21:14,320 our band is really one thing that has 469 00:21:18,150 --> 00:21:16,360 enabled us to kind of I know you know 470 00:21:19,410 --> 00:21:18,160 you people grow and they kind of you 471 00:21:22,170 --> 00:21:19,420 know come apart and come back together 472 00:21:24,660 --> 00:21:22,180 but I think that our music is really 473 00:21:25,870 --> 00:21:24,670 enabled us to kind of keep bumping into 474 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:25,880 each other on 475 00:21:29,470 --> 00:21:27,890 life's path and and as well as the 476 00:21:33,670 --> 00:21:29,480 documentary those two things really 477 00:21:37,540 --> 00:21:33,680 gifts for us know from were you around 478 00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:37,550 when the filming had started or at least 479 00:21:43,420 --> 00:21:38,960 to the conception started for magical 480 00:21:47,020 --> 00:21:43,430 Egypt one yes I was I'm chance tells the 481 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:47,030 story about meeting John West and and 482 00:21:53,470 --> 00:21:50,930 I'm ready to put up my head and claim 483 00:21:56,140 --> 00:21:53,480 well the truth is is that when I met 484 00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:56,150 chance he was working in Fox and he was 485 00:22:01,480 --> 00:21:58,490 really really unhappy at being in Fox 486 00:22:03,250 --> 00:22:01,490 because the pressure was so great I mean 487 00:22:06,610 --> 00:22:03,260 it was just really really ridiculous 488 00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:06,620 hours and and they kind of take the life 489 00:22:13,150 --> 00:22:11,120 force out of people at Fox and so when I 490 00:22:15,310 --> 00:22:13,160 met chance I was in direct marketing at 491 00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:15,320 the time we talked about why don't we 492 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:18,320 produce an Egyptian documentary and we 493 00:22:24,330 --> 00:22:20,930 can put it on TV and sell it so yes I 494 00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:24,340 was really involved in in the very first 495 00:22:30,460 --> 00:22:27,440 germ of what became magical Egypt and I 496 00:22:31,690 --> 00:22:30,470 got because I'm a hound dog and as I 497 00:22:33,340 --> 00:22:31,700 said to you before sin things to me 498 00:22:35,650 --> 00:22:33,350 because I get things done I was the one 499 00:22:37,540 --> 00:22:35,660 I was able to get through to John West 500 00:22:40,750 --> 00:22:37,550 and on my logic it and everybody that's 501 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:40,760 been in the show and so it's really been 502 00:22:45,940 --> 00:22:43,010 a great collaboration because I'm kind 503 00:22:47,620 --> 00:22:45,950 of that you get it done kind of much 504 00:22:49,450 --> 00:22:47,630 chance and I are a good team because 505 00:22:52,330 --> 00:22:49,460 he's this green a beautiful creative 506 00:22:54,670 --> 00:22:52,340 mind that will sit and ponder and come 507 00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:54,680 up with these genius ideas and I'm the 508 00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:55,760 one that's kind of making sure that 509 00:23:02,680 --> 00:22:58,240 everything gets done in the background 510 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:02,690 so you so from what I'm hearing the idea 511 00:23:05,890 --> 00:23:04,730 for the series or at least saying like 512 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:05,900 hey this is an idea that we can actually 513 00:23:09,910 --> 00:23:08,330 you know put forward and create and put 514 00:23:12,370 --> 00:23:09,920 you know put out into the into the 515 00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,380 market well you know he may have had the 516 00:23:17,740 --> 00:23:14,320 spark but you had the the push to 517 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:17,750 actually get it started or well more of 518 00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:21,710 it you know his passion I mean he he was 519 00:23:27,910 --> 00:23:24,710 he had done an Egyptian project for Fox 520 00:23:30,430 --> 00:23:27,920 and the idea of working with John 521 00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:30,440 Anthony West and exploring Egypt and the 522 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:32,720 art of Egypt and the mystery of Egypt 523 00:23:39,580 --> 00:23:37,250 was definitely his passion my part of 524 00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:39,590 that was really I can help you 525 00:23:45,290 --> 00:23:43,440 turn it into something that that people 526 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:45,300 will be able to see in the world right 527 00:23:49,670 --> 00:23:47,610 so he's the creator I'm the distributor 528 00:23:52,550 --> 00:23:49,680 if you will right it was in and of 529 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:52,560 course as a production person I would 530 00:23:56,570 --> 00:23:54,210 make the phone calls set up the shoots 531 00:23:59,650 --> 00:23:56,580 that kind of you know production kind of 532 00:24:04,130 --> 00:23:59,660 stuff but but chance and John really 533 00:24:06,140 --> 00:24:04,140 once they met up together you know 534 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:06,150 really kind of with the germ of what 535 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:08,130 magical age it would become I mean I'll 536 00:24:12,890 --> 00:24:10,110 the episode one in Episode two 537 00:24:15,140 --> 00:24:12,900 particularly are based on John's 538 00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,150 original research you know and then we 539 00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:17,520 had some Bauval in there we've had Laird 540 00:24:22,610 --> 00:24:18,960 in there you know in other people's 541 00:24:24,650 --> 00:24:22,620 reason lon Milo with you know the book 542 00:24:27,260 --> 00:24:24,660 of the dead and the end Rick Strassman 543 00:24:30,500 --> 00:24:27,270 you know but but John was kind of you 544 00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:30,510 know instrumental in his research and 545 00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:32,910 inspiring chance into the whole magical 546 00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:35,910 Egypt project now it's not something 547 00:24:41,450 --> 00:24:39,240 that I I broadcast or advertised very 548 00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:41,460 much just because but III don't ask for 549 00:24:45,170 --> 00:24:43,710 thanks for anything that I do if it's 550 00:24:46,580 --> 00:24:45,180 for somebody else just cuz see if it's 551 00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:46,590 the right thing to do you do it you know 552 00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:47,910 you know you don't do it because it'll 553 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:50,150 it'll help your career or what have you 554 00:24:59,060 --> 00:24:55,290 so big sexy I had yes yes Alex I'm 555 00:25:00,560 --> 00:24:59,070 calling you big sexy on the show a big 556 00:25:02,570 --> 00:25:00,570 sexy and I had the opportunity to go 557 00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:02,580 down and visit the clay Rupe back at the 558 00:25:09,170 --> 00:25:04,860 end of September we had set it up for a 559 00:25:11,570 --> 00:25:09,180 while and you know we I know that he's 560 00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,580 been been helping the West family for 561 00:25:15,050 --> 00:25:13,200 pretty well since he got there for the 562 00:25:16,190 --> 00:25:15,060 last nine months I might okay well I 563 00:25:17,870 --> 00:25:16,200 know that you you've been up there 564 00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:17,880 you're gonna need some help you need 565 00:25:24,620 --> 00:25:22,980 some some you know some outside contact 566 00:25:26,420 --> 00:25:24,630 as it were from from people who at least 567 00:25:28,940 --> 00:25:26,430 know you and if you guys need any help 568 00:25:32,030 --> 00:25:28,950 were you know we're there for you as it 569 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:32,040 were because he and I ended up going 570 00:25:38,570 --> 00:25:35,250 down I had a chance to meet to meet John 571 00:25:39,860 --> 00:25:38,580 and he's been well considering what he's 572 00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,870 gone through he's been doing very well 573 00:25:45,290 --> 00:25:41,520 and I last time I talked to clay a 574 00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:45,300 couple of weeks ago you know he's been 575 00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:46,710 saying like yeah like you John jump in 576 00:25:49,970 --> 00:25:47,910 recovering it is has been a slow 577 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:49,980 recovery because he has been fighting 578 00:25:54,860 --> 00:25:53,010 off pneumonia which exactly 579 00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:54,870 Sage's the fact that he was able to 580 00:25:59,090 --> 00:25:56,760 overcome stage 4 cancer plus while 581 00:26:01,310 --> 00:25:59,100 dealing with pneumonia is a testament 582 00:26:03,620 --> 00:26:01,320 not only to his stick-to-itiveness but 583 00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:03,630 also his you know the type of person 584 00:26:11,150 --> 00:26:04,620 that he is in the treatment that he 585 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:11,160 received and his quick wit never left 586 00:26:18,740 --> 00:26:15,570 him and I can understand the you know 587 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:18,750 the amount that's that research can you 588 00:26:24,410 --> 00:26:21,450 can really really get to you and it can 589 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:24,420 change your entire perspective like you 590 00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:26,370 know III joked with him it's like so 591 00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:30,000 it's like yeah you know like you were 592 00:26:33,650 --> 00:26:32,100 kind of like my my Indiana Jones 593 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:33,660 you know hero character growing up I had 594 00:26:38,410 --> 00:26:36,210 like the pith helmet and if it weren't 595 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:38,420 for my mom and the riddle of the Sphinx 596 00:26:42,020 --> 00:26:40,890 and her liking Charlton Heston I 597 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:42,030 probably would have heard about John 598 00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,710 Anthony West right exactly so his work 599 00:26:51,410 --> 00:26:48,960 in his research which was presented in 600 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:51,420 such a compelling fashion and using 601 00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:53,250 common sense and it was backed up by 602 00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:55,380 science with with you know the great dr. 603 00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,890 Robert Schoch from Boston University it 604 00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:01,200 goes to show that yes we as a species 605 00:27:05,180 --> 00:27:03,030 are not necessarily looking at the 606 00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:05,190 evidence because of our egos and because 607 00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:08,100 of what we know and he presented the 608 00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:10,200 information of what Egypt could 609 00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:13,320 potentially actually be to a completely 610 00:27:19,550 --> 00:27:16,020 new generation who didn't know who 611 00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:19,560 swaller was you know who Gibbs er was 612 00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,100 and presented in a way that was actually 613 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:25,440 digestible and you know it inspired me 614 00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:28,170 that inspired chance exactly 615 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:31,080 the book is brain the book is really fun 616 00:27:36,380 --> 00:27:35,010 so you know if there's anything to be 617 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:36,390 said it's like John Anthony West is a 618 00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:40,770 very magnetic and extremely polarizing 619 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:42,510 figure but also very inspiring figure 620 00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:44,850 that it once you see him traverse a sand 621 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:46,740 dune in Egypt on a horse you know with 622 00:27:50,830 --> 00:27:48,330 the camera panning across the background 623 00:27:54,010 --> 00:27:50,840 you're like I want to be like that guy 624 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:54,020 [Laughter] 625 00:28:00,920 --> 00:27:57,690 yeah he John is is a remarkable person 626 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:00,930 and I have known John now since 2000 so 627 00:28:09,630 --> 00:28:05,290 you know that's 17 years nearly 18 years 628 00:28:12,570 --> 00:28:09,640 and you know we have great fondness for 629 00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:12,580 each other and he really is a lovely man 630 00:28:18,090 --> 00:28:14,950 he used to stay with us in Los Angeles 631 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:18,100 so we've had a you know an opportunity 632 00:28:21,660 --> 00:28:20,050 to spend a lot of time with him and of 633 00:28:24,570 --> 00:28:21,670 course you know chance has been to Egypt 634 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:24,580 with him several times and he really 635 00:28:29,340 --> 00:28:26,050 does have a great sense of humor he 636 00:28:32,190 --> 00:28:29,350 doesn't pull any punches you know he and 637 00:28:34,020 --> 00:28:32,200 he really did such a great service I 638 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:34,030 think one of the reasons that people 639 00:28:40,380 --> 00:28:37,810 love magical Egypt so very much is that 640 00:28:43,260 --> 00:28:40,390 the history that you were taught in 641 00:28:46,290 --> 00:28:43,270 school left you with a great degree of 642 00:28:48,030 --> 00:28:46,300 cognitive dissonance and then you come 643 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:48,040 and you read John's work or you see 644 00:28:52,380 --> 00:28:50,170 John's work and magical Egypt and all of 645 00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:52,390 a sudden it's like I have been 646 00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:54,910 vindicated I've been validated there is 647 00:29:00,420 --> 00:28:58,450 another story here and that is such a 648 00:29:03,060 --> 00:29:00,430 gift you know that's such a gift to give 649 00:29:05,820 --> 00:29:03,070 people because people people it just 650 00:29:08,970 --> 00:29:05,830 doesn't add up so much of so much what 651 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:08,980 I've been told about so many things not 652 00:29:13,740 --> 00:29:10,810 just ancient Egypt but about our health 653 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:13,750 about our money about our world just 654 00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:15,610 doesn't make sense and when somebody 655 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:17,320 comes along and says look here is 656 00:29:22,350 --> 00:29:19,930 another way to look at it it really just 657 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:22,360 makes everything in the world seem a 658 00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:25,450 little bit more comfortable well that's 659 00:29:28,890 --> 00:29:27,340 kind of the whole at least what I was 660 00:29:35,250 --> 00:29:28,900 able to get from the first magical Egypt 661 00:29:37,140 --> 00:29:35,260 series is that that everything is easy 662 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:37,150 to find as long as you look at the 663 00:29:41,490 --> 00:29:38,890 evidence as long as you just look at the 664 00:29:43,410 --> 00:29:41,500 evidence and you look at it from a you 665 00:29:46,140 --> 00:29:43,420 know an open mind and you look at it 666 00:29:48,030 --> 00:29:46,150 from a standpoint of a real world open 667 00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:48,040 mind I know that I think it was episode 668 00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:51,340 2 where and you know John had brought 669 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:54,280 chance into the Royal Cairo Museum and 670 00:29:59,760 --> 00:29:57,370 he's explaining the die rights figurines 671 00:30:01,710 --> 00:29:59,770 that are you know you know that are in 672 00:30:02,990 --> 00:30:01,720 one of the cases and going well this is 673 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:03,000 a bow let's tie right you can't actually 674 00:30:08,250 --> 00:30:06,370 machine this thing very easily even 675 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:08,260 today and you look at something like 676 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:09,970 this which is small it's intricate it's 677 00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:11,890 about this big it's it's a very thin 678 00:30:18,180 --> 00:30:16,720 vase and it's and you know he's a John 679 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:18,190 John's just sitting there are news 680 00:30:20,970 --> 00:30:18,970 explaining it 681 00:30:24,210 --> 00:30:20,980 very matter-of-factly and you know with 682 00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:24,220 with with you know very low tone gravel 683 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:26,500 in his voice as he always does when 684 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:28,570 explaining something and and you know 685 00:30:33,060 --> 00:30:30,730 you could just hear at least idle I'm 686 00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:33,070 thinking that chances behind the camera 687 00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:34,480 the first time he's actually hearing 688 00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,039 this and going this is like like this is 689 00:30:43,380 --> 00:30:41,200 this is insane 690 00:30:44,490 --> 00:30:43,390 now were you there for that for that 691 00:30:47,580 --> 00:30:44,500 filming of that scene or was it just 692 00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:47,590 chance that was oh I never got to go to 693 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:52,960 Egypt myself I know I know look the 694 00:30:57,419 --> 00:30:55,090 first one they went chance literally 695 00:30:59,580 --> 00:30:57,429 talked to John on Monday and flew it on 696 00:31:03,600 --> 00:30:59,590 Tuesday so the ticket was you know crazy 697 00:31:05,850 --> 00:31:03,610 expensive but I'm sure he did and I look 698 00:31:07,409 --> 00:31:05,860 I think the reason is Jeremy Nadler in 699 00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:07,419 fact should we tried to get an interview 700 00:31:12,539 --> 00:31:10,150 but he's kind of left Egypt behind and 701 00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:12,549 has moved on but he he makes a really 702 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:14,590 really good point and that is that if 703 00:31:21,149 --> 00:31:18,970 you look at Egyptology per se at the 704 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:21,159 point in time when Napoleon was 705 00:31:27,690 --> 00:31:24,250 interested in it Egyptology at that 706 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:27,700 point accepted that there was a magic 707 00:31:33,899 --> 00:31:31,450 and a mysticism to Egypt which is why 708 00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:33,909 Napoleon wins in the first place but 709 00:31:40,289 --> 00:31:36,070 since that period up until very very 710 00:31:43,649 --> 00:31:40,299 recently you know the Academy per se has 711 00:31:46,169 --> 00:31:43,659 kind of tried to rip all of that magic 712 00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:46,179 and all of that mysticism and tried to 713 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:48,070 measure everything with rulers and make 714 00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:50,730 sense of it that way and as a result 715 00:31:55,710 --> 00:31:53,260 Egyptology and the Academy has become 716 00:31:58,289 --> 00:31:55,720 very very restricted in what they are 717 00:32:00,390 --> 00:31:58,299 willing to look at and so that's why as 718 00:32:03,210 --> 00:32:00,400 chance calls them the counterculture of 719 00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:03,220 John and Graham and lead and rub it in 720 00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:07,600 all of these people have kind of had to 721 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:10,720 go outside of the Academy and look at 722 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:12,130 things from a different perspective and 723 00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:13,450 that's why we're able to start 724 00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:15,760 introducing a little bit of the magic 725 00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:18,580 and mysticism back into the story in the 726 00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:20,350 magic of mysticism is one of the most 727 00:32:26,370 --> 00:32:22,870 important parts of the story because you 728 00:32:28,529 --> 00:32:26,380 can't even though you and I have talked 729 00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:28,539 at length that that's you know the world 730 00:32:32,190 --> 00:32:30,070 not necessarily being dualism but also a 731 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:32,200 Trinity but still there is always always 732 00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:32,770 going to be 733 00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:34,510 a flipside of the coin you do have that 734 00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:36,910 second half and even though everything 735 00:32:42,180 --> 00:32:39,480 is grounded within the physical world 736 00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,190 in terms of the language in terms of the 737 00:32:47,610 --> 00:32:44,080 history in terms of the the architecture 738 00:32:48,780 --> 00:32:47,620 the mysticism side of it whether it's 739 00:32:50,220 --> 00:32:48,790 you know people want to look at it from 740 00:32:51,930 --> 00:32:50,230 a metaphorical standpoint to be able to 741 00:32:54,330 --> 00:32:51,940 explain something or from from a pure 742 00:32:58,170 --> 00:32:54,340 and simple metaphysical standpoint to 743 00:32:59,640 --> 00:32:58,180 explain the what can potentially be 744 00:33:03,690 --> 00:32:59,650 explained by science and who knows how 745 00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:03,700 many years once it catches up yes but 746 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:05,830 that's what I found that the the the 747 00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:07,450 difference between magical Egypt one to 748 00:33:12,330 --> 00:33:09,960 the magical Egypt two was which was the 749 00:33:13,950 --> 00:33:12,340 magical Egypt one was the explaining of 750 00:33:16,350 --> 00:33:13,960 the basis of the story and in terms of 751 00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:16,360 saying okay this is what you know forget 752 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:19,360 everything to a certain extent here's 753 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:20,770 what what's really going on and the 754 00:33:24,780 --> 00:33:22,690 magical Egypt who expanded on its people 755 00:33:27,810 --> 00:33:24,790 to bring that second half that that's 756 00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:27,820 that mirror image to it which completes 757 00:33:34,410 --> 00:33:32,950 the entire story and it's um it's been 758 00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:34,420 very interesting to see going into it 759 00:33:39,540 --> 00:33:36,550 having been exposed to magical Egypt of 760 00:33:42,690 --> 00:33:39,550 one and coming into two it's completely 761 00:33:46,110 --> 00:33:42,700 different I look I think that what 762 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:46,120 chance is trying to get to and we're not 763 00:33:51,180 --> 00:33:49,810 there yet but the point is that all the 764 00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:51,190 point that he's trying to make is that 765 00:33:58,140 --> 00:33:55,270 when you look at ancient Egypt through a 766 00:34:00,600 --> 00:33:58,150 different set of eyes and we've already 767 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:00,610 established that what you thought it was 768 00:34:07,050 --> 00:34:03,370 is not there are things that you can 769 00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:07,060 learn in from ancient Egypt that can be 770 00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,310 applied and so we're trying to get to a 771 00:34:14,250 --> 00:34:11,919 place where it's actually operative and 772 00:34:16,169 --> 00:34:14,260 I know that we said is going to be a six 773 00:34:19,290 --> 00:34:16,179 season set but I think it's going to 774 00:34:21,630 --> 00:34:19,300 take us a few more episodes to get 775 00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:21,640 through the entire story of what chance 776 00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:24,790 wants to tell and he feels that it 777 00:34:31,649 --> 00:34:29,679 really is a story that can it's a 778 00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:31,659 paradigm shifting story you know it can 779 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:35,110 shift and alter the way that we exist in 780 00:34:41,370 --> 00:34:38,169 the world and it all comes from what 781 00:34:42,630 --> 00:34:41,380 we're finding in ancient Egypt one of 782 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:42,640 the things that I think is the most 783 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:45,090 difficult for people to 784 00:34:50,660 --> 00:34:47,970 wrap their heads around and chaiwalla de 785 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:50,670 Lubitz called it the intelligence of the 786 00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:54,410 heart or Veronique thinking is that the 787 00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:58,650 Egyptians of that period did not think 788 00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,160 the way that we think now that their 789 00:35:07,340 --> 00:35:05,040 consciousness is really a very different 790 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:07,350 kind of consciousness than the 791 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:10,050 consciousness that we have and their 792 00:35:15,020 --> 00:35:12,810 consciousness was a much more balanced 793 00:35:16,580 --> 00:35:15,030 consciousness their consciousness was 794 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:16,590 much more tapped into what you might 795 00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:19,890 call your higher self or the you know 796 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:21,900 the unconscious what they were they had 797 00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:24,210 all of that available to them and so in 798 00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:26,940 our mind that has kind of really kind of 799 00:35:30,890 --> 00:35:29,160 shut down and thinks about getting the 800 00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:30,900 bills paid and you know getting to work 801 00:35:34,670 --> 00:35:32,910 on time and getting stuck in traffic and 802 00:35:38,420 --> 00:35:34,680 we're really you know kind of very very 803 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:38,430 do oriented to try to put ourselves into 804 00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:41,130 that ancient Egyptian mind space is 805 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:44,310 quite difficult and so a lot of the way 806 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:46,290 that chance tries to tell the story with 807 00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:50,010 images and you know detail and taking 808 00:35:54,740 --> 00:35:52,740 his time is trying to at least slide is 809 00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:54,750 a little bit back into that way of 810 00:36:01,490 --> 00:35:57,420 thinking but that way of thinking 811 00:36:03,980 --> 00:36:01,500 enables us to open up to insight you 812 00:36:06,740 --> 00:36:03,990 know and visionary experiences and 813 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:06,750 that's a very very big part of what lots 814 00:36:10,690 --> 00:36:08,730 of people have experienced but not as 815 00:36:14,930 --> 00:36:10,700 many as I would like to see in our world 816 00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:14,940 and from from the changes in what you're 817 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:16,440 trying to say now you would say there 818 00:36:27,980 --> 00:36:18,090 was six seasons did you mean six 819 00:36:30,290 --> 00:36:27,990 episodes or episodes we hope to get to 820 00:36:32,030 --> 00:36:30,300 six seasons that would be fantastic but 821 00:36:33,710 --> 00:36:32,040 we're not as young as we used to be but 822 00:36:36,020 --> 00:36:33,720 it would be great but yeah there's going 823 00:36:38,330 --> 00:36:36,030 to be more than six episodes what what 824 00:36:40,340 --> 00:36:38,340 do you think has been the hardest the 825 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:40,350 hardest thing to reconcile with your 826 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:43,770 paradigm in terms of the real world - 827 00:36:48,740 --> 00:36:46,530 yes oh Taric world that has been either 828 00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:48,750 open to you from experiences with your 829 00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:50,700 father and you know after the the 830 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:53,820 passing of your mother - you know what 831 00:36:57,550 --> 00:36:55,530 you see every single day has there been 832 00:36:59,560 --> 00:36:57,560 anything that you've had to 833 00:37:02,340 --> 00:36:59,570 really wrap your head around or really 834 00:37:05,350 --> 00:37:02,350 had to work to change your paradigm on 835 00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:05,360 the first thing that I had to realize 836 00:37:12,070 --> 00:37:07,250 was that everything I've been told is 837 00:37:14,110 --> 00:37:12,080 wrong you know and it might and make me 838 00:37:15,850 --> 00:37:14,120 making me being cold a conspiracy 839 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:15,860 theorist but I like to think of it much 840 00:37:20,110 --> 00:37:18,170 more that I'm a critical thinker now you 841 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:20,120 know when I was younger I would take 842 00:37:24,490 --> 00:37:22,130 everything that the news in the schools 843 00:37:25,690 --> 00:37:24,500 and the religion and you know and well 844 00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:25,700 not everything but I was much more 845 00:37:32,860 --> 00:37:31,040 susceptible to it so trying to working 846 00:37:36,340 --> 00:37:32,870 and magical Egyptian researching the 847 00:37:39,010 --> 00:37:36,350 subjects I'm much more open to basically 848 00:37:41,140 --> 00:37:39,020 I'm not going to believe anything but 849 00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:41,150 I'm open to any possibility right we 850 00:37:44,530 --> 00:37:43,160 talked a little bit earlier about you 851 00:37:48,580 --> 00:37:44,540 know things that are more like the 852 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:48,590 wrestling of esotericism but there is so 853 00:37:59,050 --> 00:37:52,690 much fancy it's so much fantastic 854 00:38:00,340 --> 00:37:59,060 miraculous crazy stuff that is real that 855 00:38:02,770 --> 00:38:00,350 I have opened my mind to those 856 00:38:04,540 --> 00:38:02,780 possibilities I think we have them we 857 00:38:06,490 --> 00:38:04,550 have one of the things is that the you 858 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:06,500 know I will talk about Egyptology from 859 00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,010 the 50s era they would not allow a 860 00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,400 mysticism in the temperature temper the 861 00:38:16,750 --> 00:38:14,480 interpretation of many of the sacred 862 00:38:21,790 --> 00:38:16,760 texts when you start putting that back 863 00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:21,800 in the story kind of gets way out in the 864 00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:24,560 stratosphere you know or could depending 865 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:27,110 on the interpretation and so having 866 00:38:32,260 --> 00:38:29,690 having to keep an open mind and knowing 867 00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,270 that what I was told would probably be 868 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:34,640 you know is not necessarily true is 869 00:38:39,250 --> 00:38:36,050 probably the biggest adjustment I've had 870 00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:39,260 to make I have to agree with you on that 871 00:38:45,460 --> 00:38:42,350 standpoint and hopefully don't get too 872 00:38:47,860 --> 00:38:45,470 like a state a state where I am kind of 873 00:38:49,060 --> 00:38:47,870 at but not really at like I I'm in this 874 00:38:50,890 --> 00:38:49,070 for the fun of it because I love talking 875 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:50,900 to people I love learning cool I 876 00:38:55,930 --> 00:38:53,690 just love the personalities and the 877 00:38:57,340 --> 00:38:55,940 alternative perspectives but I've gotten 878 00:38:58,960 --> 00:38:57,350 to a certain point and every once in 879 00:39:00,400 --> 00:38:58,970 every single person gets to this point 880 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:00,410 when we wondered when you're doing what 881 00:39:05,230 --> 00:39:02,690 I do where you're like open minded or 882 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:05,240 woke as as we like to say and you 883 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:07,010 get to that like like walk walk walk 884 00:39:11,470 --> 00:39:09,410 walk oh man you reach a level of like 885 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:11,480 you know this is obviously and 886 00:39:15,790 --> 00:39:13,490 kind of plateau and head back down and 887 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:15,800 you kind of see things from not 888 00:39:19,450 --> 00:39:18,170 necessarily a more close-minded 889 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:19,460 perspective I'm gonna say more of a 890 00:39:24,250 --> 00:39:21,290 cynical view of things where the 891 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:24,260 critical thinking can hit you and yes 892 00:39:30,130 --> 00:39:25,970 like have you ever reached at that point 893 00:39:32,260 --> 00:39:30,140 where like you get to the point where 894 00:39:34,359 --> 00:39:32,270 you be like okay for instance you know I 895 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:34,369 get emails from our beautiful beautiful 896 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:36,890 customers all the time and sometimes 897 00:39:40,810 --> 00:39:38,330 I'll get a request can you please 898 00:39:44,109 --> 00:39:40,820 interview this person and I have to 899 00:39:47,050 --> 00:39:44,119 respond up you know we try to be 900 00:39:49,570 --> 00:39:47,060 discerning you know and you have to be 901 00:39:52,030 --> 00:39:49,580 discerning I mean you can type anything 902 00:39:54,970 --> 00:39:52,040 into the internet and find somebody 903 00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:54,980 saying that's true from any possible 904 00:40:01,330 --> 00:39:59,359 perspective okay yeah so if I want to 905 00:40:03,099 --> 00:40:01,340 find evidence that the sun's black or 906 00:40:06,190 --> 00:40:03,109 the sun's white or the sun's purple 907 00:40:08,620 --> 00:40:06,200 it'll be there and so the key really is 908 00:40:11,170 --> 00:40:08,630 to be discerning so I would say very 909 00:40:13,150 --> 00:40:11,180 much like you I opened up to everything 910 00:40:16,570 --> 00:40:13,160 and then I've had to pull back and 911 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:16,580 become really discerning about the 912 00:40:20,980 --> 00:40:18,410 information that I take in and the 913 00:40:24,010 --> 00:40:20,990 information that we're going to purvey 914 00:40:25,390 --> 00:40:24,020 add into the marketplace and this is one 915 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:25,400 of these things at least I found with 916 00:40:29,650 --> 00:40:27,410 our show and especially with with 917 00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:29,660 magical Egypt is there is a very 918 00:40:33,370 --> 00:40:31,670 rational explanation that's being put 919 00:40:36,010 --> 00:40:33,380 behind it if something's being stated 920 00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:36,020 there's at least some backing within the 921 00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:38,000 real world to say like this makes sense 922 00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:39,680 based on X why is that here are some 923 00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:40,640 research behind it 924 00:40:44,650 --> 00:40:42,950 here is some real-world actual proof 925 00:40:46,270 --> 00:40:44,660 that we've been able to find that we're 926 00:40:50,590 --> 00:40:46,280 gonna present to you in an unobstructed 927 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:50,600 and unbiased manner this is our opinion 928 00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,130 but you know you can make up your own 929 00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:54,560 your own mind on the matter and it's not 930 00:41:01,570 --> 00:40:59,119 it's not twisting the evidence to fit 931 00:41:04,180 --> 00:41:01,580 the logic you're presenting the facts as 932 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:04,190 they are to say this is what we have and 933 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:05,810 here some other evidence to say hey this 934 00:41:11,230 --> 00:41:08,330 is this could be it could be true yes 935 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:11,240 and I mean even since the first one 936 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:13,130 there are things that chance would not 937 00:41:18,340 --> 00:41:16,010 necessarily have in the first series now 938 00:41:20,859 --> 00:41:18,350 you know because we've grown we've 939 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:20,869 evolved we've learned things but we're 940 00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:22,890 trying to say 941 00:41:28,579 --> 00:41:26,640 here are things that we have found that 942 00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:28,589 makes sense to us given the research 943 00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:30,510 that we've done to try to explain this 944 00:41:35,329 --> 00:41:33,420 you know so you're right and who knows 945 00:41:37,579 --> 00:41:35,339 in five years there might be some things 946 00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:37,589 in the season two that we might have 947 00:41:43,069 --> 00:41:40,260 evolved with as well one thing that I 948 00:41:46,130 --> 00:41:43,079 know it was presented in Episode one of 949 00:41:49,269 --> 00:41:46,140 season two which blew my mind was the 950 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:49,279 architecture shape and how that can 951 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:51,930 represent or at least it potentially 952 00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:53,730 could represent the two hemispheres of 953 00:41:58,670 --> 00:41:56,250 the human mind with and again I wish I 954 00:42:00,200 --> 00:41:58,680 had the image up on screen but that's 955 00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,210 the whole point of open conversation you 956 00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:03,599 can't really prepare for it but the you 957 00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:05,460 can correct me on the particular 958 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:07,260 monument but there's one particular 959 00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:09,450 monument that has two large arches and a 960 00:42:12,980 --> 00:42:11,880 smaller arch in the center and the two 961 00:42:14,660 --> 00:42:12,990 large archers is supposed to represent 962 00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:14,670 the two hemispheres of the brain and the 963 00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:17,460 smaller arch where it lines up with the 964 00:42:23,359 --> 00:42:21,089 the actual ground is potentially 965 00:42:26,180 --> 00:42:23,369 represents the third eye or the pineal 966 00:42:27,890 --> 00:42:26,190 gland and I saw that I'm just like you 967 00:42:29,180 --> 00:42:27,900 know like this is an about ancient 968 00:42:33,529 --> 00:42:29,190 history but I'm so down this rabbit hole 969 00:42:37,940 --> 00:42:33,539 because holy that was mind-blowing 970 00:42:39,740 --> 00:42:37,950 to me to not make too much of a pun well 971 00:42:42,140 --> 00:42:39,750 I mean that's it was the chance to 972 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:42,150 really I mean the chance like you uses 973 00:42:46,759 --> 00:42:44,730 after-effects and he's doing fades and 974 00:42:50,140 --> 00:42:46,769 in the first magical age of one it's the 975 00:42:54,380 --> 00:42:50,150 pylon and then he put it over a skull 976 00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:54,390 and it blew his mind and that's why it 977 00:42:59,299 --> 00:42:56,579 kind of took 10 years or 15 years to 978 00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,309 come out with season 2 because if he was 979 00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:01,440 trying to ascertain what did that mean 980 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:04,980 and it took us all that time to get to 981 00:43:11,180 --> 00:43:07,410 the story that we're at now because it 982 00:43:13,999 --> 00:43:11,190 is my boy and how was the research like 983 00:43:15,380 --> 00:43:14,009 how did it progress from a ok well this 984 00:43:17,299 --> 00:43:15,390 is interesting I'm gonna start doing 985 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:17,309 some research on this too we've got 986 00:43:21,799 --> 00:43:19,650 the start of another series and how did 987 00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:21,809 that that progress from from the way you 988 00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:26,339 saw things from my perspective as I said 989 00:43:33,769 --> 00:43:28,950 the pylon thing really blew chances mind 990 00:43:36,740 --> 00:43:33,779 and he started researching and he came 991 00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:36,750 across the research of Gary 992 00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,310 bond and Gary Osbourne in many ways was 993 00:43:46,910 --> 00:43:44,400 able to validate the ideas the chance 994 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:46,920 had about it and there was a young man 995 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:50,130 Brad Claussen who had contacted John 996 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:52,890 West and John sent him to us and said 997 00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,130 you might find that Brad's research is 998 00:44:03,200 --> 00:43:58,560 of interest to you and that research 999 00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:03,210 really validated what chances belief was 1000 00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:06,180 about this and so it was really you know 1001 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:08,609 he says there was a core team it was 1002 00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:10,770 really you know the fact that Brad and 1003 00:44:16,580 --> 00:44:13,800 Gary kind of came to the same 1004 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:16,590 conclusions about other aspects of the 1005 00:44:21,620 --> 00:44:18,450 art that were telling a similar story 1006 00:44:24,380 --> 00:44:21,630 and then there were other Peter which 1007 00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,390 Richard Corsaro for example Gary 1008 00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:26,640 suggested to us that we should look at 1009 00:44:31,099 --> 00:44:28,740 Richard Casares work and so you know 1010 00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:31,109 Brad right now has said to me I should 1011 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:32,310 look at somebody else's work so 1012 00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:35,250 everybody has a fascination about this 1013 00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,960 subject and they're doing their own 1014 00:44:42,109 --> 00:44:39,119 research as well and so we're pulling in 1015 00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:42,119 people from the research that everybody 1016 00:44:46,310 --> 00:44:44,310 is doing around this subject and it 1017 00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:46,320 really is a beautiful thing a funny 1018 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:47,609 thing and this is just like kind of a 1019 00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:48,690 side note like you mentioned Richard 1020 00:44:53,089 --> 00:44:50,609 Richard Corsaro he he helped it on on 1021 00:44:55,630 --> 00:44:53,099 the JA symposium back in July we've had 1022 00:44:59,720 --> 00:44:55,640 him on the show I think we had him for 1023 00:45:02,480 --> 00:44:59,730 part of the John Anthony West Egypt 1024 00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:02,490 month and yes I think I mentioned him at 1025 00:45:05,329 --> 00:45:03,780 one point he's actually one of the first 1026 00:45:09,620 --> 00:45:05,339 people from this community who followed 1027 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:09,630 me on Twitter and I'm like like I would 1028 00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,250 fall in his work for a long time and 1029 00:45:15,859 --> 00:45:14,160 like you you look at Egypt you don't 1030 00:45:18,020 --> 00:45:15,869 necessarily consider Richard kisara 1031 00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:18,030 because as somebody who could fit into 1032 00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:21,680 that mold but he's more of a pan global 1033 00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:27,599 this consistency guy he's the guy who's 1034 00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:30,240 trying to put the parts together from 1035 00:45:34,210 --> 00:45:32,760 all these different areas and trying to 1036 00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,220 find the similarities between them and 1037 00:45:38,450 --> 00:45:36,480 you know the idea of the triptych which 1038 00:45:40,940 --> 00:45:38,460 has been his calling card 1039 00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:40,950 it fits very well in with the idea of 1040 00:45:44,359 --> 00:45:43,380 okay well you've got your small Doren in 1041 00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:44,369 the center and you've got your two 1042 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:47,730 larger doors outside this seems to be an 1043 00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:49,170 imagery that has been 1044 00:45:57,250 --> 00:45:51,990 you know passed on from from you know 1045 00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:57,260 Egypt to East Asian architecture to 1046 00:46:02,720 --> 00:45:59,940 North American ancient architecture 1047 00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:02,730 South American architecture you know 1048 00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:05,400 European architecture even when dealing 1049 00:46:12,049 --> 00:46:09,780 with things like the cathedrals and how 1050 00:46:13,549 --> 00:46:12,059 that sacred geometry was sacred geometry 1051 00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:13,559 used but the same type of imagery was 1052 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:15,150 used in terms of the two larger 1053 00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:16,650 hemispheres the left on the right and 1054 00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:19,230 the idea of the pineal gland in the 1055 00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,089 center and this also moves on to like 1056 00:46:25,789 --> 00:46:23,280 Leonardo da Vinci's work and his 1057 00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:25,799 paintings and how that was used to 1058 00:46:32,210 --> 00:46:28,020 diagram the human brain from us from a 1059 00:46:36,020 --> 00:46:32,220 side view and you've you seem to bring 1060 00:46:37,460 --> 00:46:36,030 together the all of these individuals 1061 00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:37,470 who may not necessarily seem like 1062 00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:41,609 they've have parallel work but each one 1063 00:46:48,980 --> 00:46:44,670 seems to be part of a puzzle that is 1064 00:46:51,650 --> 00:46:48,990 making up a whole and yes so if if 1065 00:46:55,549 --> 00:46:51,660 you've had individuals like Richard else 1066 00:46:58,010 --> 00:46:55,559 is on on the research list because the 1067 00:46:59,410 --> 00:46:58,020 magical Egypt calm does have the photos 1068 00:47:02,450 --> 00:46:59,420 and some of them are very well known 1069 00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:02,460 yeah but the names may not be known to 1070 00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:04,619 to certain individuals can you can you 1071 00:47:09,170 --> 00:47:07,049 speak to that yes well I mean look for 1072 00:47:13,849 --> 00:47:09,180 instance okay you were talking about the 1073 00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:13,859 the here the left right hemisphere it's 1074 00:47:17,809 --> 00:47:16,140 really interesting because let's Granton 1075 00:47:21,260 --> 00:47:17,819 who I know you love and who I just 1076 00:47:23,450 --> 00:47:21,270 absolutely adore his research you might 1077 00:47:26,109 --> 00:47:23,460 think has nothing to do with the 1078 00:47:29,539 --> 00:47:26,119 triptych but he has this whole 1079 00:47:31,609 --> 00:47:29,549 left-right story that plays into it as 1080 00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:31,619 well we have Tony right 1081 00:47:37,819 --> 00:47:36,000 who is coming up he is a researcher who 1082 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:37,829 looks at the hemispheres of the brain 1083 00:47:45,980 --> 00:47:42,930 based on how humans evolved from the 1084 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:45,990 kind of tropical jungle built and out of 1085 00:47:50,420 --> 00:47:48,210 that and he has an amazing story that 1086 00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:50,430 fits right into this whole story that 1087 00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:51,630 we're trying to tell about the 1088 00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:54,960 development of the brain we have Gary 1089 00:48:01,839 --> 00:47:58,740 Lachman who has a book on the history of 1090 00:48:03,809 --> 00:48:01,849 consciousness and a new book on the 1091 00:48:08,099 --> 00:48:03,819 imagination 1092 00:48:10,410 --> 00:48:08,109 who is looking at also consciousness 1093 00:48:12,839 --> 00:48:10,420 aspects of you know what was 1094 00:48:14,430 --> 00:48:12,849 consciousness like back in the day what 1095 00:48:18,270 --> 00:48:14,440 is it like now what does that mean for 1096 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:18,280 what we can evolve into now when we get 1097 00:48:26,430 --> 00:48:20,650 into Episode four starts to tell a story 1098 00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:26,440 about the Kundalini being symbolism that 1099 00:48:33,630 --> 00:48:30,420 is appearing to us in what we're seeing 1100 00:48:36,660 --> 00:48:33,640 then you so you have Aaron dr. Aaron 1101 00:48:38,940 --> 00:48:36,670 cheek who talks about alchemy okay so 1102 00:48:43,020 --> 00:48:38,950 he's going to be coming back into the 1103 00:48:46,859 --> 00:48:43,030 story as our Kundalini kind of journey 1104 00:48:49,530 --> 00:48:46,869 takes place we have another wonderful 1105 00:48:51,930 --> 00:48:49,540 person heroine Tilton who was a friend 1106 00:48:53,849 --> 00:48:51,940 of Aaron's that Aaron brought to us that 1107 00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:53,859 is not even on the site yet - unable to 1108 00:49:00,299 --> 00:48:57,040 tell that story we go down a shamanistic 1109 00:49:02,339 --> 00:49:00,309 path and we have Rick Strassman coming 1110 00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:02,349 back into the show we have Graham 1111 00:49:07,470 --> 00:49:04,920 Hancock talking about shamanism as well 1112 00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:07,480 who else who I don't want to begin 1113 00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:10,569 anybody this would be terrible but I 1114 00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:12,400 mean as an example I should pull up my 1115 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:15,760 baby who else I'm talking to a 1116 00:49:20,849 --> 00:49:17,890 researcher right name by the name of 1117 00:49:22,589 --> 00:49:20,859 William Megan and he is really 1118 00:49:28,410 --> 00:49:22,599 interesting because he has broken down 1119 00:49:31,380 --> 00:49:28,420 the symbolism of the genesis of Genesis 1120 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:31,390 of the Bible of the Old Testament and he 1121 00:49:38,579 --> 00:49:35,170 is going to in his story basically would 1122 00:49:42,059 --> 00:49:38,589 fit into Richard caseros story and into 1123 00:49:44,970 --> 00:49:42,069 the symbolism of of these why these 1124 00:49:47,789 --> 00:49:44,980 things are occurring all over the world 1125 00:49:52,650 --> 00:49:47,799 okay so we've got Brad now Robert Robert 1126 00:49:54,359 --> 00:49:52,660 is just absolutely amazing Robert as you 1127 00:49:55,770 --> 00:49:54,369 know you love Robert Bauval and we've 1128 00:49:58,890 --> 00:49:55,780 got an interview with him that we're 1129 00:50:00,240 --> 00:49:58,900 going to be bringing in and tying into 1130 00:50:03,390 --> 00:50:00,250 the story as well and just because 1131 00:50:06,180 --> 00:50:03,400 Robert is really fascinating in the 1132 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:06,190 respect that he is he's he has been 1133 00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:09,210 going on his own personal journey and 1134 00:50:16,110 --> 00:50:13,020 evolving his own story and his story is 1135 00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:16,120 in twining with ours 1136 00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:18,760 so we also have on our sheet Hill on my 1137 00:50:23,850 --> 00:50:21,760 loader cat now on Milo is a very 1138 00:50:26,460 --> 00:50:23,860 interesting gentleman who is very 1139 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:26,470 steeped in the West ik Western magical 1140 00:50:31,170 --> 00:50:27,130 tradition 1141 00:50:34,350 --> 00:50:31,180 so when you see LAN Milo and you see 1142 00:50:36,810 --> 00:50:34,360 Richard you see Steven Skinner Steven 1143 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:36,820 Skinner has a lot of books on Egyptian 1144 00:50:42,450 --> 00:50:39,850 Grieco magic and then you see Peter 1145 00:50:46,170 --> 00:50:42,460 LaVonda who also understands Western 1146 00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:46,180 magic and also Tantra and there's mantak 1147 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:48,430 chia you can kind of see where that 1148 00:50:53,850 --> 00:50:51,490 storyline is coming together we have two 1149 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:53,860 Australians on the page we have Cullen 1150 00:51:00,180 --> 00:50:56,530 hater who's doing some remarkable 1151 00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:00,190 research on the story about Egyptians in 1152 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:03,280 Australia and we have max Egan who also 1153 00:51:07,980 --> 00:51:05,410 is an amazing Australian researcher and 1154 00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,990 so that storyline is going to tie in so 1155 00:51:13,850 --> 00:51:09,760 you can kind of see a little bit of 1156 00:51:17,070 --> 00:51:13,860 where we're going by who's on the page a 1157 00:51:20,580 --> 00:51:17,080 funny funny story so Colin I think you 1158 00:51:21,930 --> 00:51:20,590 were advertising the show which again it 1159 00:51:23,940 --> 00:51:21,940 was last minute we didn't schedule it's 1160 00:51:26,580 --> 00:51:23,950 you know weeks in advance but still and 1161 00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:26,590 I know that he liked he the Facebook 1162 00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:28,260 page so I'm like like I know that guy 1163 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:30,190 and I know that he's doing a very 1164 00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:32,290 interesting and very controversial part 1165 00:51:37,710 --> 00:51:36,400 of Egyptian research which is based on 1166 00:51:40,110 --> 00:51:37,720 findings from the west coast of 1167 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:40,120 Australia and that there were 1168 00:51:44,570 --> 00:51:42,370 hieroglyphics potentially found in the 1169 00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:44,580 west coast that essentially was from a 1170 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:48,910 lost a ship that had been out to sea at 1171 00:51:52,590 --> 00:51:50,770 one point whether it was doing trade or 1172 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:52,600 exploring and just got blown off course 1173 00:51:59,630 --> 00:51:55,650 and in the Indian Ocean and may have 1174 00:52:02,280 --> 00:51:59,640 wound up on the west coast of Australia 1175 00:52:04,380 --> 00:52:02,290 well actually he's evolved the story a 1176 00:52:09,150 --> 00:52:04,390 little more that is kind of that that 1177 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:09,160 story is the traditional interpretation 1178 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:12,250 of those hieroglyphs and what Colin has 1179 00:52:19,230 --> 00:52:16,330 done is he has taken that story really 1180 00:52:23,490 --> 00:52:19,240 researched it fine found validation for 1181 00:52:26,820 --> 00:52:23,500 it in certain pepper I and and taken the 1182 00:52:29,370 --> 00:52:26,830 story to a place that is so much more 1183 00:52:32,010 --> 00:52:29,380 detailed and so much more in-depth 1184 00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:32,020 he has tied it in with the indigenous 1185 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:35,680 story here the indigenous people and so 1186 00:52:43,110 --> 00:52:40,210 we have this indigenous legend weaving 1187 00:52:45,780 --> 00:52:43,120 together with this Egyptian story and it 1188 00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:45,790 really really is fascinating and it's 1189 00:52:50,490 --> 00:52:48,160 going to take a while to tell that story 1190 00:52:53,250 --> 00:52:50,500 because there's so much data and there's 1191 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:53,260 so much of an evolution from that from 1192 00:52:58,800 --> 00:52:56,650 the original story but yes I mean every 1193 00:53:00,720 --> 00:52:58,810 time I see him he has and it's 1194 00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:00,730 mind-blowing too I mean it's absolutely 1195 00:53:08,610 --> 00:53:03,520 one of the most mind-blowing stories 1196 00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:08,620 that is new information and so we really 1197 00:53:12,420 --> 00:53:10,240 once we get through these six we have to 1198 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:12,430 sit down with Colin and really look at 1199 00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,770 what he's doing and figure out how we're 1200 00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:16,720 going to work with the information but 1201 00:53:22,050 --> 00:53:18,880 it's mind-blowing stuff absolutely 1202 00:53:24,450 --> 00:53:22,060 mind-blowing stuff and how much has from 1203 00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:24,460 the start of filming and even from the 1204 00:53:28,530 --> 00:53:26,460 start of the concept of the idea 1205 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:28,540 obviously if you're looking at a 10-year 1206 00:53:32,190 --> 00:53:30,970 gap between the start of one or the end 1207 00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:32,200 of one and the start of another there 1208 00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:34,000 there's a lot of information that gets 1209 00:53:39,810 --> 00:53:36,400 added to the you know the the the 1210 00:53:43,530 --> 00:53:39,820 research compendium that is pulled from 1211 00:53:46,290 --> 00:53:43,540 but from how much has it changed in that 1212 00:53:49,020 --> 00:53:46,300 period compared to now for various 1213 00:53:52,260 --> 00:53:49,030 individuals yes well I would say that 1214 00:53:54,750 --> 00:53:52,270 the storyline if you can imagine the 1215 00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:54,760 idea the concept really hasn't changed 1216 00:53:59,340 --> 00:53:57,490 the concept has been there a long but it 1217 00:54:01,590 --> 00:53:59,350 keeps getting fatter and fatter and 1218 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:01,600 fatter as we get access to new 1219 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:04,570 researchers for example you know dr. 1220 00:54:09,330 --> 00:54:07,570 Aaron cheek we went to him because of 1221 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:09,340 his interest in chaiwalla and his 1222 00:54:13,950 --> 00:54:11,530 knowledge of chaiwalla not because he 1223 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:13,960 stayed with us for so long we found out 1224 00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:15,490 that he here's this incredible knowledge 1225 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:18,640 of alchemy and so we started talking 1226 00:54:22,530 --> 00:54:20,290 about alchemy and how that fits into the 1227 00:54:24,690 --> 00:54:22,540 story and then he introduced us to 1228 00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:24,700 people that were writing to the story as 1229 00:54:30,990 --> 00:54:28,150 well so the story is getting validated 1230 00:54:33,060 --> 00:54:31,000 and verified and bigger and bigger and 1231 00:54:34,770 --> 00:54:33,070 bigger as we go along but the general 1232 00:54:36,990 --> 00:54:34,780 idea of what was the concept of the 1233 00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:37,000 story we wanted to tell really has 1234 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:40,480 remained the same and again dr. Aaron 1235 00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:42,010 chiku's who's a good friend of the show 1236 00:54:45,450 --> 00:54:43,119 and 1237 00:54:47,609 --> 00:54:45,460 who is one of the most foremost 1238 00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:47,619 authorities on esotericism with regards 1239 00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:50,319 to serology Ludwick's and also from what 1240 00:54:52,620 --> 00:54:51,609 i can recall from chance from 1241 00:54:55,019 --> 00:54:52,630 discussions that I've had the chance 1242 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:55,029 also has quite the karaoke voice so 1243 00:54:59,849 --> 00:54:56,890 something doesn't like been known but 1244 00:55:02,400 --> 00:54:59,859 I'm saying that out right out there he's 1245 00:55:03,690 --> 00:55:02,410 not just incredibly intelligent and one 1246 00:55:09,420 --> 00:55:03,700 of the best people you'll ever meet but 1247 00:55:10,890 --> 00:55:09,430 also a fantastic singer so that is like 1248 00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:10,900 I mean he really did stay with us 1249 00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:12,910 probably about three months and and we 1250 00:55:17,459 --> 00:55:14,529 miss him terribly I was going to 1251 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:17,469 actually have him back now but when I 1252 00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:19,450 was at the point where I was to organize 1253 00:55:25,259 --> 00:55:21,910 the tickets I wasn't feeling well I mean 1254 00:55:27,059 --> 00:55:25,269 I this year just I fall of any of our 1255 00:55:29,370 --> 00:55:27,069 viewers that might be customers that are 1256 00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:29,380 saying where are my DVDs I've had a 1257 00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:33,369 really bad year health-wise and I just 1258 00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:34,960 haven't been myself and I'm starting to 1259 00:55:39,779 --> 00:55:37,839 come back now so we've booked Aaron to 1260 00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:39,789 come back out in February which will be 1261 00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:42,609 wonderful but he is lovely and fun and 1262 00:55:46,140 --> 00:55:44,319 knowledgeable and one of the things that 1263 00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:46,150 I wanted to say about the making of 1264 00:55:51,209 --> 00:55:49,359 magical Egypt the most thing the most 1265 00:55:54,450 --> 00:55:51,219 important thing that strikes me is the 1266 00:55:56,609 --> 00:55:54,460 pity the tragedy we're just pulling my 1267 00:56:01,140 --> 00:55:56,619 hair out that the best moments of the 1268 00:56:03,209 --> 00:56:01,150 show happened when nobody's around so 1269 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:03,219 you know they'll be Aaron and I sitting 1270 00:56:07,499 --> 00:56:05,410 down and having a conversation at 10 1271 00:56:10,349 --> 00:56:07,509 o'clock in the evening it'll be well why 1272 00:56:13,170 --> 00:56:10,359 didn't we have cameras rolling and I had 1273 00:56:16,709 --> 00:56:13,180 the beautiful joyful experience of 1274 00:56:19,549 --> 00:56:16,719 having Laird Scranton meet lon my logic 1275 00:56:22,349 --> 00:56:19,559 it in a hotel room in Minneapolis and 1276 00:56:24,959 --> 00:56:22,359 those two gentlemen you would think 1277 00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:24,969 their stories are completely disparate 1278 00:56:30,180 --> 00:56:27,609 but we had recent and Isaac which is LED 1279 00:56:33,029 --> 00:56:30,190 Sun and lund and myself all in a hotel 1280 00:56:36,709 --> 00:56:33,039 room and these two guys were filling in 1281 00:56:39,989 --> 00:56:36,719 for each other and holes in each other's 1282 00:56:43,709 --> 00:56:39,999 knowledge and making each other's story 1283 00:56:46,259 --> 00:56:43,719 better stories than they were before and 1284 00:56:49,950 --> 00:56:46,269 it was magical to see that it was just 1285 00:56:51,569 --> 00:56:49,960 absolutely magical and again we I had a 1286 00:56:53,609 --> 00:56:51,579 camera but I couldn't figure out how to 1287 00:56:56,349 --> 00:56:53,619 use it but those kinds of things I wish 1288 00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:56,359 I could bring those things to our 1289 00:57:02,259 --> 00:56:59,119 I mean my goal my goal one day if we 1290 00:57:04,809 --> 00:57:02,269 ever make enough money is to have all of 1291 00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:04,819 our people together in a room so that 1292 00:57:09,489 --> 00:57:06,799 they have the opportunity of talking to 1293 00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:09,499 each other instead of having chance and 1294 00:57:14,140 --> 00:57:11,569 I as the middleman because I think some 1295 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:14,150 real magic will happen if we can get 1296 00:57:19,420 --> 00:57:16,970 even five of these people together to be 1297 00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:19,430 able to to share research with each 1298 00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:23,119 other it'll be mind-blowing I'd be 1299 00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:24,799 remiss if I did not mention that this is 1300 00:57:30,910 --> 00:57:27,200 kind of one of the same similar aspects 1301 00:57:33,009 --> 00:57:30,920 or goals of this show is the ability to 1302 00:57:35,499 --> 00:57:33,019 try and combine knowledge and try and 1303 00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:35,509 combine stories to gain understanding 1304 00:57:40,269 --> 00:57:38,480 front for us it's it's what we're trying 1305 00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:40,279 to find Atlantis essentially that's kind 1306 00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:42,049 of the main goal for me it's like it did 1307 00:57:45,309 --> 00:57:43,369 Lantis exist 1308 00:57:46,329 --> 00:57:45,319 what kind of stake did they make did 1309 00:57:49,150 --> 00:57:46,339 they have scotch 1310 00:57:50,890 --> 00:57:49,160 was it not called scoffs you know these 1311 00:57:52,329 --> 00:57:50,900 very basic questions that you're trying 1312 00:57:54,609 --> 00:57:52,339 to piece all these you know these 1313 00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:54,619 disparate pieces of information together 1314 00:58:01,660 --> 00:57:56,569 that most people may not necessarily 1315 00:58:03,759 --> 00:58:01,670 consider as compatible and you've 1316 00:58:05,140 --> 00:58:03,769 interviewed so many individuals and you 1317 00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:05,150 know like we've had the opportunity to 1318 00:58:10,180 --> 00:58:06,710 do what we're doing right now on the 1319 00:58:12,220 --> 00:58:10,190 show and for any of the interviews that 1320 00:58:14,529 --> 00:58:12,230 you've had like what would be one of the 1321 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:14,539 more I should something what are the 1322 00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:16,130 more interesting do you have any 1323 00:58:21,970 --> 00:58:19,599 interesting stories of that can be told 1324 00:58:25,930 --> 00:58:21,980 by their struggle to set up an interview 1325 00:58:28,479 --> 00:58:25,940 or to set up an information share that 1326 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:28,489 may not have gone what you had expected 1327 00:58:35,380 --> 00:58:32,450 or required a fair amount of your poise 1328 00:58:39,370 --> 00:58:35,390 and amazing ability to problem-solve to 1329 00:58:43,180 --> 00:58:39,380 actually make it happen I I have to say 1330 00:58:45,370 --> 00:58:43,190 when I was a producer I would my joke 1331 00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:45,380 was there was never a production it 1332 00:58:50,529 --> 00:58:47,089 would happen without me learning 1333 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:50,539 something because every single aspect of 1334 00:58:56,589 --> 00:58:52,970 every single shoot and production you 1335 00:58:58,720 --> 00:58:56,599 learn something because something goes 1336 00:59:00,249 --> 00:58:58,730 wrong right so there's really not a time 1337 00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,259 that I can tell you that something 1338 00:59:07,390 --> 00:59:02,960 didn't go wrong I mean we had 1339 00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:07,400 Robert Lawler who is a very interesting 1340 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:09,920 again he actually Robert Lola was the 1341 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:12,530 person the translated schwa litter Lou 1342 00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:16,130 book into the temple of man that 1343 00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:18,610 everybody has so we have that guy 1344 00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:22,910 staying in our house and that guy you 1345 00:59:28,690 --> 00:59:26,570 know when we shot him some like audio 1346 00:59:31,330 --> 00:59:28,700 disasters I would go to a place of our 1347 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:31,340 home that sounded really quiet but for 1348 00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:33,770 some reason all the traffic noise would 1349 00:59:37,450 --> 00:59:35,090 come up you know so there's always 1350 00:59:41,050 --> 00:59:37,460 something that goes wrong but in terms 1351 00:59:43,300 --> 00:59:41,060 of good stories I mean for instance 1352 00:59:46,420 --> 00:59:43,310 Stephen Skinner would never met Stephen 1353 00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:46,430 Skinner we went to Sydney to shoot 1354 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:49,040 Stephen Skinner and at the you know 1355 00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:52,010 again we had a great interview and then 1356 00:59:58,960 --> 00:59:55,760 we get to sit with the man for you know 1357 01:00:01,600 --> 00:59:58,970 three hours having lunch and the wisdom 1358 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:01,610 and the knowledge and the passion for 1359 01:00:09,180 --> 01:00:06,170 you know he he is Weston magician he is 1360 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:09,190 actually taken all of the pepper I and 1361 01:00:15,970 --> 01:00:12,530 translated and tested the magic spells 1362 01:00:19,300 --> 01:00:15,980 of ancient Egypt to verify whether these 1363 01:00:23,250 --> 01:00:19,310 spells work or don't work I mean this is 1364 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:23,260 unbelievable kind of research we have 1365 01:00:29,470 --> 01:00:27,290 Frederica inches son who has also done 1366 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:29,480 the same thing taken magical spells 1367 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:31,130 tested them to make sure that they were 1368 01:00:35,950 --> 01:00:33,290 and and Stephen Skinner has had to 1369 01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:35,960 translate them from Greek and I mean 1370 01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:37,730 it's just I mean amazing work and to sit 1371 01:00:42,430 --> 01:00:39,920 and be able to ask questions it's 1372 01:00:44,290 --> 01:00:42,440 fantastic so the shooting is great but 1373 01:00:47,380 --> 01:00:44,300 meeting these people and spending time 1374 01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:47,390 with them is just the gift absolute gift 1375 01:00:54,340 --> 01:00:51,170 and what is your process to set up or at 1376 01:00:56,740 --> 01:00:54,350 least discover new researchers it or do 1377 01:00:59,580 --> 01:00:56,750 they come to you do you find them and 1378 01:01:04,030 --> 01:00:59,590 approach them is it just kind of a 1379 01:01:09,010 --> 01:01:04,040 happenstance that occurs yesterday I 1380 01:01:11,260 --> 01:01:09,020 would say that we we look for I mean we 1381 01:01:14,140 --> 01:01:11,270 have very very very specific things that 1382 01:01:15,530 --> 01:01:14,150 we're trying to validate and verify and 1383 01:01:19,310 --> 01:01:15,540 so in our 1384 01:01:21,770 --> 01:01:19,320 research we will find for instance in 1385 01:01:24,980 --> 01:01:21,780 the episode that I'm in that is one of 1386 01:01:28,270 --> 01:01:24,990 my favorites we were looking at the idea 1387 01:01:31,310 --> 01:01:28,280 of the hypnagogic stage okay so Gary 1388 01:01:34,490 --> 01:01:31,320 kind of came up with the germ of the 1389 01:01:37,370 --> 01:01:34,500 idea of the hypnagogic state and so we 1390 01:01:39,950 --> 01:01:37,380 needed to really understand and explore 1391 01:01:45,410 --> 01:01:39,960 that more and so in our research 1392 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:45,420 Gary Lachman came up as having written a 1393 01:01:53,060 --> 01:01:50,450 lot on hypnagogia and also the entire 1394 01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:53,070 idea of consciousness throughout history 1395 01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:55,920 and so in our research he was speaking 1396 01:01:59,780 --> 01:01:57,930 to what we needed I reached out to him 1397 01:02:02,210 --> 01:01:59,790 and got him you know so it's basically 1398 01:02:04,060 --> 01:02:02,220 we're looking for people that and and 1399 01:02:06,370 --> 01:02:04,070 they're all over the place we have a 1400 01:02:09,590 --> 01:02:06,380 neuroscientist that's coming on the show 1401 01:02:11,870 --> 01:02:09,600 so people that look at information that 1402 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:11,880 validate the storyline that we're trying 1403 01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:13,410 to tell and then so we reach out 1404 01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:17,760 nobody's really come to us except Cullen 1405 01:02:24,460 --> 01:02:21,510 hater was a really interesting story in 1406 01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:24,470 the respect that he dialed the phone 1407 01:02:30,410 --> 01:02:28,290 looking for somebody and got me and had 1408 01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:30,420 no idea that there wasn't even a magical 1409 01:02:34,550 --> 01:02:32,610 Egypt I don't even know how that 1410 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:34,560 happened but his story is full of 1411 01:02:37,610 --> 01:02:35,490 synchronicity 1412 01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:37,620 this is one thing that's amazing I have 1413 01:02:46,940 --> 01:02:41,610 to tell you as you get into these 1414 01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:46,950 stories Laird has synchronicities that 1415 01:02:54,020 --> 01:02:51,690 happen to him that blow your mind lawn 1416 01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:54,030 has synchronicities Cullen has 1417 01:02:59,540 --> 01:02:56,370 synchronicities hearing about these 1418 01:03:03,350 --> 01:02:59,550 little things that happen to further the 1419 01:03:06,020 --> 01:03:03,360 research fascinate me just absolutely 1420 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:06,030 fascinated me and I know Laird's talk to 1421 01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:08,970 us at least he's talked to me a several 1422 01:03:15,170 --> 01:03:12,570 times about it was certain research that 1423 01:03:16,490 --> 01:03:15,180 he had stumbled upon and there are 1424 01:03:17,900 --> 01:03:16,500 certain individuals who may have said 1425 01:03:20,420 --> 01:03:17,910 something to him with regards to the 1426 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:20,430 research and it made things click it 1427 01:03:23,330 --> 01:03:22,050 made things move forward and or at least 1428 01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:23,340 it said okay well this is something I 1429 01:03:28,460 --> 01:03:25,680 need to be able to do and it you know it 1430 01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:28,470 may have evolved into what is available 1431 01:03:30,469 --> 01:03:29,039 now 1432 01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:30,479 and it's like you're either in the right 1433 01:03:34,699 --> 01:03:33,119 place the right time or there is no 1434 01:03:36,469 --> 01:03:34,709 right time and it's you're just you're 1435 01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:36,479 just there in the informations going you 1436 01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:39,119 know that that message of hey you may 1437 01:03:42,380 --> 01:03:40,559 want to take a look at this it's just 1438 01:03:45,620 --> 01:03:42,390 gonna keep hitting ya every now and 1439 01:03:47,719 --> 01:03:45,630 again like like a notification reminder 1440 01:03:49,069 --> 01:03:47,729 on your phone you can hit snooze on and 1441 01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:49,079 a five minutes later it's gonna pop back 1442 01:03:56,299 --> 01:03:54,569 up again it had a book show up in the 1443 01:03:58,669 --> 01:03:56,309 mail that was the exact book that he 1444 01:04:00,949 --> 01:03:58,679 couldn't buy and yeah you know what I 1445 01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:00,959 mean that kind of thing right okay so so 1446 01:04:05,150 --> 01:04:03,119 you know Colin calls this number looking 1447 01:04:07,339 --> 01:04:05,160 for help and it's magical Egypt and you 1448 01:04:09,559 --> 01:04:07,349 know it just and once you get into his 1449 01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:09,569 story the synchronicities also like 1450 01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:14,400 Laird's are crazy and to me that is 1451 01:04:22,969 --> 01:04:20,400 magic and it is the sign of somebody 1452 01:04:23,419 --> 01:04:22,979 that really is getting into their 1453 01:04:26,419 --> 01:04:23,429 research 1454 01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:26,429 you know it's magic it's magic it's that 1455 01:04:29,929 --> 01:04:28,079 point like you you're riding the wave 1456 01:04:31,729 --> 01:04:29,939 for instance yeah 1457 01:04:33,439 --> 01:04:31,739 Bram from YouTube chat is you know 1458 01:04:35,479 --> 01:04:33,449 you've you've well you've been on kind 1459 01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:35,489 of it on the show you've helped from you 1460 01:04:39,699 --> 01:04:36,809 know start this you've watched the show 1461 01:04:44,749 --> 01:04:39,709 so you know we get we get questions from 1462 01:04:47,959 --> 01:04:44,759 the audience and well first rocky is and 1463 01:04:49,099 --> 01:04:47,969 and rocky boom shout out I know you may 1464 01:04:50,449 --> 01:04:49,109 have gone to bed at this point but 1465 01:04:52,399 --> 01:04:50,459 you'll you'll come back to it at some 1466 01:04:54,199 --> 01:04:52,409 point I'll tell ya he's asking if you've 1467 01:04:55,549 --> 01:04:54,209 ever heard of John Ward who is an 1468 01:04:59,479 --> 01:04:55,559 Egyptologist he's worked with Scottie 1469 01:05:02,299 --> 01:04:59,489 Roberts he yeah are you aware of his 1470 01:05:03,769 --> 01:05:02,309 work or not no I'm not sweetie and 1471 01:05:05,839 --> 01:05:03,779 somebody asked me about somebody else 1472 01:05:08,689 --> 01:05:05,849 the other day and I looked them up and I 1473 01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:08,699 weren't familiar with them either and it 1474 01:05:12,769 --> 01:05:10,609 might have actually been John Ward 1475 01:05:14,689 --> 01:05:12,779 what is his name of his new book just 1476 01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:14,699 John whatever new book you know that way 1477 01:05:18,409 --> 01:05:16,319 I should be very good question I know 1478 01:05:20,509 --> 01:05:18,419 that he's been out at some at his 1479 01:05:23,959 --> 01:05:20,519 archaeological site that just finished I 1480 01:05:25,999 --> 01:05:23,969 believe its 13th season I'll send you 1481 01:05:29,899 --> 01:05:26,009 the information and John please brother 1482 01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:29,909 don't don't hit me on that one if if 1483 01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:31,529 I've forgotten getting a lot of 1484 01:05:36,649 --> 01:05:32,640 information thrown at me in the last 1485 01:05:38,479 --> 01:05:36,659 couple of days I'm trying to but no look 1486 01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:38,489 at a lot of people unfortunately that 1487 01:05:41,930 --> 01:05:41,039 because we're looking for specific 1488 01:05:45,740 --> 01:05:41,940 things that we 1489 01:05:47,210 --> 01:05:45,750 miss and so tell me about John Donne um 1490 01:05:48,770 --> 01:05:47,220 I'm actually not too familiar with 1491 01:05:50,420 --> 01:05:48,780 John's work I know that he's had a 1492 01:05:53,420 --> 01:05:50,430 certain like he's worked with 1493 01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:53,430 Scotty Roberts on researching the Exodus 1494 01:05:58,970 --> 01:05:56,880 story which is I believe that he and 1495 01:06:01,040 --> 01:05:58,980 Scotty released a book several a couple 1496 01:06:03,770 --> 01:06:01,050 of years back it might have been 2015 1497 01:06:06,980 --> 01:06:03,780 maybe earlier with regards to that it's 1498 01:06:09,700 --> 01:06:06,990 more around from what I can understand 1499 01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:09,710 and again I'm probably way off his 1500 01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:12,000 published work is more based around the 1501 01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:14,400 biblical theory or at least a biblical 1502 01:06:22,780 --> 01:06:17,369 story and trying to okay ascertain that 1503 01:06:25,460 --> 01:06:22,790 I could be way off on this yes and but 1504 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:25,470 beyond that the other question is coming 1505 01:06:30,890 --> 01:06:28,290 from Bram our residents discord server 1506 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:30,900 admin as well as one of her he's gonna 1507 01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:32,010 be helping me out with the show in the 1508 01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:33,089 next couple months so again thank you 1509 01:06:38,690 --> 01:06:35,609 very much Bram and he is asking for the 1510 01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:38,700 magic that was tested out and I know 1511 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:42,210 that there are some magic that can be 1512 01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:44,970 somewhat you know like okay well I don't 1513 01:06:48,770 --> 01:06:46,770 like this person so let's let's make 1514 01:06:50,450 --> 01:06:48,780 this part of him you know shrink up and 1515 01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:50,460 fall off as it were 1516 01:06:58,880 --> 01:06:54,089 did it work and if so do I need to worry 1517 01:07:01,880 --> 01:06:58,890 about any of this in cases look I I have 1518 01:07:05,870 --> 01:07:01,890 to say here's what I I bought Stephens 1519 01:07:08,450 --> 01:07:05,880 book with the haste you know that I was 1520 01:07:13,550 --> 01:07:08,460 on fire you know what I mean after I 1521 01:07:16,250 --> 01:07:13,560 asked her I met with him and I'll give 1522 01:07:17,660 --> 01:07:16,260 you an example Frederick Shaanxi son is 1523 01:07:21,859 --> 01:07:17,670 the perfect day and I just finished 1524 01:07:27,579 --> 01:07:21,869 reading his book yes the magic works the 1525 01:07:33,290 --> 01:07:27,589 magic requires incredible discipline 1526 01:07:36,829 --> 01:07:33,300 time effort dedication devotion to do 1527 01:07:39,579 --> 01:07:36,839 and if you have that an incredible 1528 01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:39,589 knowledge of astronomy and what a day 1529 01:07:46,550 --> 01:07:43,280 works with what mineral works with what 1530 01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:46,560 angel to affect what you need to have 1531 01:07:51,470 --> 01:07:49,050 happen so that so the fundamental 1532 01:07:54,530 --> 01:07:51,480 knowledge going into it is so huge as 1533 01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:54,540 well as the dedication effort timing all 1534 01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:56,640 of these things so the kinds of things 1535 01:08:02,809 --> 01:07:58,319 that for instance predator hash and 1536 01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:02,819 Chaisson is is doing is for instance he 1537 01:08:12,819 --> 01:08:07,890 has called into a skull a house days he 1538 01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:12,829 called Hyrum that's me in the right hand 1539 01:08:21,950 --> 01:08:17,759 yes and Hyrum enable helps him with 1540 01:08:24,050 --> 01:08:21,960 magic helps him with his studies has all 1541 01:08:26,689 --> 01:08:24,060 of this wisdom and information that he 1542 01:08:29,059 --> 01:08:26,699 is able to partake of because he has 1543 01:08:31,700 --> 01:08:29,069 able to pull in a house spirit into his 1544 01:08:38,090 --> 01:08:31,710 skull and to do that he had to do magic 1545 01:08:42,260 --> 01:08:38,100 but he's also called angels and demons 1546 01:08:44,030 --> 01:08:42,270 I'm guessing to further his knowledge of 1547 01:08:44,900 --> 01:08:44,040 the universe and cosmology and all of 1548 01:08:47,209 --> 01:08:44,910 those kinds of things 1549 01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:47,219 Stephen Skinner in his book there's 1550 01:08:52,820 --> 01:08:50,250 simple things like making your lawsuit 1551 01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:52,830 go the way that you want it to go right 1552 01:08:57,380 --> 01:08:54,560 so getting 1553 01:08:59,809 --> 01:08:57,390 having luck in business having luck with 1554 01:09:01,579 --> 01:08:59,819 women you know just lot I mean the books 1555 01:09:03,220 --> 01:09:01,589 that thickness Egyptian magic so it's 1556 01:09:07,999 --> 01:09:03,230 much like so much of it as mundane 1557 01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:08,009 really mundane stuff you know and yes 1558 01:09:13,039 --> 01:09:10,319 but to to be able to do these things you 1559 01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:13,049 have to have fundamental so I've kind of 1560 01:09:19,490 --> 01:09:16,049 decided that in this lifetime I'm not 1561 01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:19,500 going to go there I might just try to 1562 01:09:24,050 --> 01:09:22,170 employ somebody to do it for me but yes 1563 01:09:24,860 --> 01:09:24,060 I mean the story is that these things 1564 01:09:27,140 --> 01:09:24,870 actually work 1565 01:09:28,999 --> 01:09:27,150 Stephen Skinner for example has a great 1566 01:09:32,780 --> 01:09:29,009 story that he told us that I don't think 1567 01:09:37,070 --> 01:09:32,790 is in the interview he had his house 1568 01:09:39,380 --> 01:09:37,080 rubbed and everybody took like literally 1569 01:09:41,450 --> 01:09:39,390 everything out of his home and so he did 1570 01:09:46,180 --> 01:09:41,460 a magic spell there was something to do 1571 01:09:50,570 --> 01:09:46,190 with getting lost Goods returned and 1572 01:09:53,780 --> 01:09:50,580 what happened was after he did his magic 1573 01:09:55,610 --> 01:09:53,790 spell the thieves called him up and said 1574 01:09:59,090 --> 01:09:55,620 hey would you like to buy your stuff 1575 01:10:01,520 --> 01:09:59,100 back and a you know expensive 1576 01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:01,530 dollar amount and so he was able to 1577 01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:03,480 because of that phone call I have the 1578 01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:04,710 police track them and get all of his 1579 01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:07,490 stuff back so did the magics 1580 01:10:19,380 --> 01:10:12,320 will cause the thieves to call him that 1581 01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:19,390 was his intent and it happened crazy huh 1582 01:10:25,300 --> 01:10:23,840 some of these like the the luck with 1583 01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:25,310 women it's like it's not really luck 1584 01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:28,130 it's more of a skill but you know well 1585 01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:30,800 not so much for instance the spells are 1586 01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:32,690 kind of awful when it comes to women 1587 01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:34,640 it's like the woman's the woman will 1588 01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:38,810 starve to death unless she could you 1589 01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:40,850 know unless she claims her love for you 1590 01:10:44,260 --> 01:10:42,650 I mean some of them are kind of really 1591 01:10:45,790 --> 01:10:44,270 interesting I can hit the books right 1592 01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:45,800 there I can grab it if you want and read 1593 01:10:50,050 --> 01:10:47,930 you a few but they're there really I 1594 01:10:52,450 --> 01:10:50,060 mean there are a lot of them for 1595 01:10:54,460 --> 01:10:52,460 instance I wanted to do one there is a 1596 01:10:57,010 --> 01:10:54,470 house I there's a suite in Australia we 1597 01:10:58,480 --> 01:10:57,020 have sweepstakes for houses so you can 1598 01:11:00,160 --> 01:10:58,490 buy instead of buying a lotto ticket for 1599 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:00,170 money you can buy a lotto ticket to win 1600 01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:02,810 a mansion and there was one I really 1601 01:11:10,060 --> 01:11:05,600 wanted to win and there was no spell for 1602 01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:10,070 how to win a house that's unfortunate 1603 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:12,890 right but you know think about ancient 1604 01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:15,650 Egypt and ancient Greece so you know 1605 01:11:21,820 --> 01:11:18,320 those those that was bad was the time 1606 01:11:23,470 --> 01:11:21,830 those are the spells now just this is 1607 01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,480 something I was able to find while while 1608 01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:25,520 while we were discussing the metrical 1609 01:11:32,350 --> 01:11:30,170 spells John Ward he's actually one of 1610 01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:32,360 the partners at and I believe the 1611 01:11:36,430 --> 01:11:35,120 photographer at the I'm gonna butcher 1612 01:11:42,940 --> 01:11:36,440 this one so please do get your drinks 1613 01:11:47,890 --> 01:11:42,950 ready people this is at the gap lol 1614 01:11:51,010 --> 01:11:47,900 silsila archaeological sites in Egypt he 1615 01:11:54,370 --> 01:11:51,020 I know that he's been there for the last 1616 01:11:57,190 --> 01:11:54,380 couple of months after getting married 1617 01:11:59,410 --> 01:11:57,200 here in in North America so again 1618 01:12:01,720 --> 01:11:59,420 brother congratulations once again and 1619 01:12:03,460 --> 01:12:01,730 he worked with Scottie Roberts on a 1620 01:12:05,380 --> 01:12:03,470 pilot of a TV show for History Channel 1621 01:12:08,500 --> 01:12:05,390 called history tripperz which was kind 1622 01:12:09,820 --> 01:12:08,510 of a steampunk somewhat inspired terms 1623 01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:09,830 of like their aesthetic and dress and 1624 01:12:15,220 --> 01:12:12,130 and they were essentially supposed to go 1625 01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:15,230 around and to all of these 1626 01:12:18,730 --> 01:12:16,490 archaeological sites and kind of give 1627 01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:18,740 their their view on it and I think that 1628 01:12:23,180 --> 01:12:20,490 actually turned into Scottie Roberts 1629 01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:23,190 children's books a fox and bear which is 1630 01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:25,290 kind of their adventures but based on 1631 01:12:31,820 --> 01:12:30,480 animal morphic animals which is the 1632 01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:31,830 drawings are absolutely fantastic and I 1633 01:12:37,250 --> 01:12:34,970 have an extra read the book myself but 1634 01:12:40,730 --> 01:12:37,260 Scottie was responsible for me putting 1635 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:40,740 Laird and lawn together because he had a 1636 01:12:49,550 --> 01:12:44,010 conference in Minneapolis a paradigm 1637 01:12:50,810 --> 01:12:49,560 symposium I believe yeah so yeah he is 1638 01:12:52,700 --> 01:12:50,820 somebody who's been working with with 1639 01:12:55,490 --> 01:12:52,710 Scottie for quite a long time I know he 1640 01:12:57,980 --> 01:12:55,500 just finished his last the latest season 1641 01:13:02,690 --> 01:12:57,990 in in Egypt so that was I believe why 1642 01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:02,700 why we had received that question but 1643 01:13:05,900 --> 01:13:04,320 that would be the extent of at least 1644 01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:05,910 that I know from his work I'd want to be 1645 01:13:10,820 --> 01:13:09,210 able to read moral into it and the Iraqi 1646 01:13:15,650 --> 01:13:10,830 sorry I've been really busy have not had 1647 01:13:16,970 --> 01:13:15,660 much time to read anything but you know 1648 01:13:18,380 --> 01:13:16,980 that that's just kind of the idea that 1649 01:13:21,170 --> 01:13:18,390 there's so much work that's out there 1650 01:13:25,900 --> 01:13:21,180 you may not necessarily hear about it or 1651 01:13:30,140 --> 01:13:25,910 there may be work that's upcoming yes 1652 01:13:32,060 --> 01:13:30,150 sorry no no go ahead I just want to say 1653 01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:32,070 there's so much good work out there you 1654 01:13:36,980 --> 01:13:35,040 know and and the scope of what we're 1655 01:13:40,610 --> 01:13:36,990 doing right now as I say we kind of have 1656 01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:40,620 the storyline and possibly we haven't 1657 01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:42,690 just come across John you know there are 1658 01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:44,250 people that we want to get that we 1659 01:13:51,980 --> 01:13:49,170 haven't been able to get yet but but if 1660 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:51,990 if John's work doesn't align with what 1661 01:13:55,490 --> 01:13:53,610 we're currently telling the story that 1662 01:13:59,840 --> 01:13:55,500 may be why we haven't found him yet 1663 01:14:01,250 --> 01:13:59,850 but maybe we need to know and you know 1664 01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:01,260 this is something that at least I can 1665 01:14:08,510 --> 01:14:02,970 talk to rocky on and know hell I'll even 1666 01:14:10,820 --> 01:14:08,520 send Johnny a message if if he's off of 1667 01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:10,830 that I believe he's currently on a boat 1668 01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:14,370 on the Nile traveling from his site it 1669 01:14:16,970 --> 01:14:15,690 may still be there I know that he's 1670 01:14:21,230 --> 01:14:16,980 traveling back to his his home base 1671 01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:21,240 there but you know in terms of like you 1672 01:14:24,350 --> 01:14:22,560 you've been connected to through Scotty 1673 01:14:27,380 --> 01:14:24,360 with with Laird that's how you guys got 1674 01:14:30,020 --> 01:14:27,390 together as far as that's part of the 1675 01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:30,030 research now who are some individuals 1676 01:14:33,799 --> 01:14:31,770 that have been recently introduced to 1677 01:14:35,810 --> 01:14:33,809 you that may not have been 1678 01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:35,820 on the official story or at least on the 1679 01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:37,170 official story board is there anybody 1680 01:14:41,899 --> 01:14:40,170 new that's coming yes indeed darlin so 1681 01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:41,909 though some of those people that are on 1682 01:14:47,569 --> 01:14:43,650 the site haven't actually shown up yet 1683 01:14:50,770 --> 01:14:47,579 on the show but for example the newest 1684 01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:50,780 person is that hasn't been announced yet 1685 01:14:59,680 --> 01:14:54,960 we're in we're talking to him is the 1686 01:15:03,259 --> 01:14:59,690 when Aaron did his doctorate on SH wala 1687 01:15:07,549 --> 01:15:03,269 heroin was the person that oversaw that 1688 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:07,559 and he is an author of many books 1689 01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:11,010 Theo G and how come in many things and 1690 01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:13,920 so he would be the newest person that 1691 01:15:19,310 --> 01:15:17,760 were actively talking about bringing 1692 01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:19,320 into the show and hopefully shooting 1693 01:15:26,540 --> 01:15:20,010 next week 1694 01:15:29,870 --> 01:15:26,550 Enzo taglio hands and it's an Italian 1695 01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:29,880 he's a young neurosurgeon and he does 1696 01:15:35,979 --> 01:15:33,360 work on consciousness and the effects of 1697 01:15:39,979 --> 01:15:35,989 antigens on the brain so he is a 1698 01:15:42,919 --> 01:15:39,989 neuroscientist that's studying how LSD 1699 01:15:45,500 --> 01:15:42,929 for example works within the brain and 1700 01:15:47,299 --> 01:15:45,510 impacts consciousness and so we're 1701 01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,309 interviewing him on Monday and he's not 1702 01:15:51,859 --> 01:15:49,679 yet on the website so those would be the 1703 01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:51,869 two the person that we're trying to get 1704 01:15:57,799 --> 01:15:53,489 that we haven't had much luck with 1705 01:16:02,229 --> 01:15:57,809 because he's writing a new book is the 1706 01:16:05,689 --> 01:16:02,239 author of the emissary and the brain 1707 01:16:09,319 --> 01:16:05,699 Ian's McGilchrist because he really 1708 01:16:11,299 --> 01:16:09,329 looks at both sides of the brain so he's 1709 01:16:13,129 --> 01:16:11,309 been and he's kind of evading us at the 1710 01:16:14,660 --> 01:16:13,139 moment but we would love to get him so 1711 01:16:17,060 --> 01:16:14,670 those are kind of we're playing with 1712 01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:17,070 right now Ian if you're watching this 1713 01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:23,130 pick up the phone man we gotta get do it 1714 01:16:26,450 --> 01:16:24,690 he sent me an email that said he's not 1715 01:16:28,939 --> 01:16:26,460 even looking at emails for six months so 1716 01:16:31,700 --> 01:16:28,949 who knows what's going to be happening 1717 01:16:33,379 --> 01:16:31,710 you know in the future we've still we've 1718 01:16:35,629 --> 01:16:33,389 got a lot that we have to get through 1719 01:16:37,089 --> 01:16:35,639 before you really start telling that 1720 01:16:39,310 --> 01:16:37,099 story 1721 01:16:41,469 --> 01:16:39,320 well how was the average episode 1722 01:16:46,219 --> 01:16:41,479 constructed as far as a premise or a 1723 01:16:47,300 --> 01:16:46,229 storyboard what is the what's the 1724 01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:47,310 creative process 1725 01:16:53,870 --> 01:16:50,610 and what is your price yeah well really 1726 01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:53,880 truly the show is a chance chance will 1727 01:16:59,870 --> 01:16:58,080 say to me get in McGilchrist and I will 1728 01:17:03,850 --> 01:16:59,880 attempt to get a mcgrill Chris but 1729 01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:03,860 anything once once the material is shot 1730 01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:06,960 which I will be part of shooting that 1731 01:17:12,980 --> 01:17:10,170 the really it's all chance chance does 1732 01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:12,990 the music he scores the thing he does 1733 01:17:18,530 --> 01:17:15,450 the timeline he does the motions motion 1734 01:17:20,090 --> 01:17:18,540 graphics any animation so really once it 1735 01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:20,100 gets to putting the show together 1736 01:17:28,190 --> 01:17:25,770 that's all chance and your part in that 1737 01:17:31,990 --> 01:17:28,200 is is it strictly the marketing side or 1738 01:17:35,150 --> 01:17:32,000 are you the you know as you mentioned 1739 01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:35,160 kind of the you know that force that 1740 01:17:37,790 --> 01:17:36,570 kind of sets things in motion or at 1741 01:17:40,010 --> 01:17:37,800 least reminds him that this needs to get 1742 01:17:42,140 --> 01:17:40,020 done you know every single great thing 1743 01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:42,150 well you know every single great man is 1744 01:17:47,900 --> 01:17:44,250 a great woman behind him and in terms of 1745 01:17:48,890 --> 01:17:47,910 making and well you you think I'd be 1746 01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:48,900 able to get half of the stuff that I'd 1747 01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:49,920 be able to get done if it weren't for my 1748 01:17:53,630 --> 01:17:51,810 wife forget it 1749 01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:53,640 I'd sleep until two o'clock in the 1750 01:17:58,040 --> 01:17:54,900 afternoon every single day who weren't 1751 01:18:00,140 --> 01:17:58,050 for her it's you know there there is a 1752 01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:00,150 very important partnership and you know 1753 01:18:02,690 --> 01:18:01,770 with him being the creative side you 1754 01:18:04,430 --> 01:18:02,700 have obviously been more of the 1755 01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:04,440 marketing side the social media side the 1756 01:18:11,630 --> 01:18:09,090 public relations side and I mean I 1757 01:18:14,030 --> 01:18:11,640 really do like for instance Gary Lachman 1758 01:18:16,490 --> 01:18:14,040 I will take credit for because I was the 1759 01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:16,500 one that kind of found that research on 1760 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:17,730 the hypnagogic state which is kind of 1761 01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:19,770 why I'm in episode three so there are 1762 01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:23,610 certain things that I will research for 1763 01:18:29,570 --> 01:18:26,850 instance again doctor Enzo I found him 1764 01:18:32,030 --> 01:18:29,580 as well but but once that's shot you 1765 01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:32,040 know I mean for instance um Gary Luckman 1766 01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:33,600 you know I didn't really know what that 1767 01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:36,000 episode of about search and said this is 1768 01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:39,840 what we're looking at go find it so I I 1769 01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:41,520 do get to do a little bit of research 1770 01:18:44,780 --> 01:18:43,410 which is wonderful not all of it ends up 1771 01:18:48,290 --> 01:18:44,790 in the show not a little of a chance 1772 01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:48,300 does but yes predominantly I'm the you 1773 01:18:54,020 --> 01:18:50,880 know I am the get-it-done person get it 1774 01:18:56,510 --> 01:18:54,030 done person whether it's the marketing 1775 01:18:58,730 --> 01:18:56,520 or the you know chances in charge of 1776 01:19:00,960 --> 01:18:58,740 promo because he studied that at school 1777 01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:00,970 but you know marketing really is my 1778 01:19:06,420 --> 01:19:03,760 and getting things done and for your 1779 01:19:08,130 --> 01:19:06,430 side of that were already out like 1780 01:19:10,440 --> 01:19:08,140 really into the behind-the-scenes stuff 1781 01:19:13,980 --> 01:19:10,450 here because when we were doing the 1782 01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:13,990 Jonathan West telethon back in February 1783 01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:18,610 and I didn't bully and this is - my own 1784 01:19:23,370 --> 01:19:20,050 ignorance I didn't know the magical 1785 01:19:26,300 --> 01:19:23,380 Egypt had a Facebook page or okay no so 1786 01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:26,310 again when when I first approached 1787 01:19:31,500 --> 01:19:28,330 charmander exactly what it had happened 1788 01:19:33,570 --> 01:19:31,510 I think somebody had sent me a message 1789 01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:33,580 saying like Oh like magical Egypt is is 1790 01:19:37,710 --> 01:19:35,410 like they just mentioned you guys and 1791 01:19:40,220 --> 01:19:37,720 I'm like holy like are you kidding 1792 01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:40,230 me like that's that's amazing 1793 01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:43,330 III you know like we were this just this 1794 01:19:47,610 --> 01:19:46,000 ragtag team operating from the bedroom 1795 01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:47,620 and we had no idea what the hell were 1796 01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:50,080 doing it's like this this monolithic 1797 01:19:55,290 --> 01:19:53,290 legendary production team had mentioned 1798 01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:55,300 us in a YouTube video and I like we felt 1799 01:20:02,280 --> 01:19:57,760 absolutely special and mind blown and 1800 01:20:03,690 --> 01:20:02,290 you were in the video and you know the 1801 01:20:04,710 --> 01:20:03,700 video was it said okay well you know 1802 01:20:06,230 --> 01:20:04,720 this is what's happening I know that 1803 01:20:08,670 --> 01:20:06,240 there's the telethon going on and and 1804 01:20:10,020 --> 01:20:08,680 when I had contacted the Facebook page 1805 01:20:13,140 --> 01:20:10,030 you were the person behind the Facebook 1806 01:20:15,450 --> 01:20:13,150 page and how much of your day-to-day is 1807 01:20:18,420 --> 01:20:15,460 dealing with the public and the 1808 01:20:20,340 --> 01:20:18,430 individuals who may be like myself who 1809 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:20,350 may be completely starstruck or you know 1810 01:20:26,580 --> 01:20:23,050 awed by the presence of the individuals 1811 01:20:30,150 --> 01:20:26,590 behind the production and being that 1812 01:20:33,300 --> 01:20:30,160 face of magical Egypt's like what what 1813 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:33,310 is your so what is your methodology how 1814 01:20:36,570 --> 01:20:34,570 do you approach it 1815 01:20:38,340 --> 01:20:36,580 and how did you fall into that 1816 01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:38,350 particular but finding out that you were 1817 01:20:43,290 --> 01:20:41,290 very good at that role well I mean first 1818 01:20:45,330 --> 01:20:43,300 of all just like you and Alex or a team 1819 01:20:47,100 --> 01:20:45,340 I mean chance it's really interesting 1820 01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:47,110 because I think when people find out 1821 01:20:53,610 --> 01:20:49,600 that magical Egypt for all intents and 1822 01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:53,620 purposes is chance and I working out of 1823 01:20:59,310 --> 01:20:56,770 our bedroom they get shocked by that as 1824 01:21:02,250 --> 01:20:59,320 well and most of the time it's the 1825 01:21:04,650 --> 01:21:02,260 funniest aspects of that when somebody 1826 01:21:07,230 --> 01:21:04,660 rings up or I mean the types and they're 1827 01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:07,240 unhappy with me for some reason and I'll 1828 01:21:10,530 --> 01:21:09,250 they'll figure I don't say hey I'm 1829 01:21:12,810 --> 01:21:10,540 Venise I'm in the show or I'm the 1830 01:21:14,260 --> 01:21:12,820 producer I just you know sign it venes 1831 01:21:16,090 --> 01:21:14,270 and they're like oh I'm so 1832 01:21:18,670 --> 01:21:16,100 sorry for yelling at you I didn't know 1833 01:21:21,550 --> 01:21:18,680 that it was you and and there they are 1834 01:21:24,700 --> 01:21:21,560 very very much appreciative of speaking 1835 01:21:27,460 --> 01:21:24,710 to me but basically I treat everybody 1836 01:21:30,370 --> 01:21:27,470 like I want to be treated myself and so 1837 01:21:32,260 --> 01:21:30,380 I just I don't have any methodology my 1838 01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:32,270 love I just people have questions I 1839 01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:34,250 answer them people have problems I try 1840 01:21:37,870 --> 01:21:35,570 to help them people can't afford the 1841 01:21:42,130 --> 01:21:37,880 show I try to work a deal and so I just 1842 01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:42,140 treat everybody as if by the way I'd 1843 01:21:47,380 --> 01:21:44,450 like to be treated and and so I do it 1844 01:21:49,810 --> 01:21:47,390 does pretty much take up my entire day 1845 01:21:52,030 --> 01:21:49,820 between the production things and the 1846 01:21:54,250 --> 01:21:52,040 customer support things and the product 1847 01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:54,260 fulfillment things I mean I my day is 1848 01:21:59,710 --> 01:21:56,960 pretty much magical Egypt but I am 1849 01:22:02,200 --> 01:21:59,720 blessed that it is because compared to 1850 01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:02,210 what I was doing before I would much 1851 01:22:09,580 --> 01:22:04,850 rather I mean the truth is is the people 1852 01:22:12,930 --> 01:22:09,590 that buy a show on mass are the most 1853 01:22:15,190 --> 01:22:12,940 wonderful people in the world they are 1854 01:22:19,570 --> 01:22:15,200 intelligent they occur Diaz they are 1855 01:22:21,250 --> 01:22:19,580 kind they are just lovely and so I am 1856 01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:21,260 really blessed to be able to be 1857 01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:22,970 interacting with that caliber of person 1858 01:22:28,660 --> 01:22:26,330 on a daily basis and how do you use 1859 01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:28,670 social media as a whole do you use any 1860 01:22:34,270 --> 01:22:32,210 any type of application do you just go 1861 01:22:37,810 --> 01:22:34,280 into either you use Twitter as you know 1862 01:22:40,300 --> 01:22:37,820 Twitter com do you have I'm terrible at 1863 01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:40,310 Twitter no I've tried HubSpot and things 1864 01:22:44,410 --> 01:22:43,490 like that in the past but I really and 1865 01:22:48,700 --> 01:22:44,420 I've tried 1866 01:22:50,830 --> 01:22:48,710 okay so social media because I because I 1867 01:22:53,530 --> 01:22:50,840 come from marketing okay and I have 1868 01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:53,540 marketed everything from Gulf products 1869 01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:56,210 to beauty products to diet pills and 1870 01:23:01,960 --> 01:22:57,920 penis pills and all kinds of crazy 1871 01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:01,970 things I am really blessed that 1872 01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:04,970 marketing magical Egypt is probably the 1873 01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:06,530 easiest thing that I've ever marketed 1874 01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:09,770 right and I think it's because we have 1875 01:23:14,890 --> 01:23:12,320 such a strong fan base that really all I 1876 01:23:17,020 --> 01:23:14,900 have to do is get in front of them so I 1877 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:17,030 am terrible twitter twitter twitter 1878 01:23:24,190 --> 01:23:22,010 person i really only kind of use that 1879 01:23:27,070 --> 01:23:24,200 for announcements if i remember to do it 1880 01:23:30,220 --> 01:23:27,080 so predominantly what i do is i do my 1881 01:23:33,190 --> 01:23:30,230 on Facebook and I utilize Alf our page 1882 01:23:35,290 --> 01:23:33,200 on Facebook to you know kind of talk 1883 01:23:39,460 --> 01:23:35,300 about things that are interesting but I 1884 01:23:42,130 --> 01:23:39,470 really am not as active as I have been 1885 01:23:44,860 --> 01:23:42,140 for other clients in the past because 1886 01:23:47,260 --> 01:23:44,870 we're lucky that magical agent per se 1887 01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:47,270 doesn't have a competitor there's really 1888 01:23:55,630 --> 01:23:51,280 nobody else producing content you know 1889 01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:55,640 like ours so we really don't have any 1890 01:24:01,630 --> 01:23:57,920 competition and we have some great fans 1891 01:24:03,100 --> 01:24:01,640 so it's really very lucky but I try to 1892 01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:03,110 share things with people that I think 1893 01:24:08,050 --> 01:24:06,170 are interesting that people love you 1894 01:24:09,550 --> 01:24:08,060 know about people that it would be 1895 01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:09,560 interested now stuff would be interested 1896 01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:11,600 in the content that I'm sharing but it's 1897 01:24:14,980 --> 01:24:13,370 more of a just an active marketing 1898 01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:14,990 campaign on Facebook because really all 1899 01:24:19,180 --> 01:24:17,120 I do and I do that myself directly on 1900 01:24:22,420 --> 01:24:19,190 Facebook and if I do Twitter I do that 1901 01:24:24,490 --> 01:24:22,430 directly on Twitter but having you know 1902 01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:24,500 there's lots of things that I have done 1903 01:24:29,950 --> 01:24:26,480 in the past that I don't need to do for 1904 01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:29,960 from magical Egypt and why I'm assuming 1905 01:24:33,220 --> 01:24:31,850 that a full audience profile and 1906 01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:33,230 psychographic profile may not 1907 01:24:37,660 --> 01:24:35,690 necessarily be you know necessary when 1908 01:24:39,580 --> 01:24:37,670 you it's like well I'm kind of from the 1909 01:24:41,380 --> 01:24:39,590 demographic and as well as from the 1910 01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:41,390 psychographic profile that we're selling 1911 01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:43,760 to it's like I'm the model you don't 1912 01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:45,410 need to have a full document for it 1913 01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:49,760 which you know that is it's it's very 1914 01:24:52,330 --> 01:24:50,960 interesting to be able to see it's like 1915 01:24:54,850 --> 01:24:52,340 what would I you know like what would I 1916 01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:54,860 like what would I buy what would I look 1917 01:25:00,370 --> 01:24:57,650 at from a standpoint of how would I want 1918 01:25:02,350 --> 01:25:00,380 to be dealt with which or dealt with you 1919 01:25:05,380 --> 01:25:02,360 know interacted with is that you yeah 1920 01:25:08,500 --> 01:25:05,390 mystic term exactly and you know 1921 01:25:10,090 --> 01:25:08,510 everyone has their idiosyncrasies when 1922 01:25:12,850 --> 01:25:10,100 it comes to Facebook your you know you 1923 01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:12,860 you show your your personality very well 1924 01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:16,730 I you know tend to showcase my 1925 01:25:20,710 --> 01:25:18,170 with a heart of gold personality fairly 1926 01:25:22,210 --> 01:25:20,720 well at least I like to think so and you 1927 01:25:24,460 --> 01:25:22,220 you know you you reach your audience 1928 01:25:25,420 --> 01:25:24,470 there's the audience that is going to be 1929 01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:25,430 really into it and they're going to be 1930 01:25:28,480 --> 01:25:26,960 into the brand and you know they don't 1931 01:25:29,980 --> 01:25:28,490 care about anything else besides the 1932 01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:29,990 information that's shown and there's 1933 01:25:33,820 --> 01:25:32,810 people who buy into the back end of the 1934 01:25:35,230 --> 01:25:33,830 brand where it's they need to be able to 1935 01:25:36,460 --> 01:25:35,240 believe in it they need to believe in 1936 01:25:38,650 --> 01:25:36,470 what it stands for what it represents 1937 01:25:40,660 --> 01:25:38,660 and the people behind it because they 1938 01:25:44,290 --> 01:25:40,670 want to believe that it is something 1939 01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:44,300 that is wholesome it's not just as you 1940 01:25:48,729 --> 01:25:45,650 know we mentioned corporately produced 1941 01:25:55,689 --> 01:25:48,739 or corporately demonstrated because 1942 01:25:58,570 --> 01:25:55,699 there is an actual soul to it then we 1943 01:25:59,530 --> 01:25:58,580 had we were the most bootleg thing I've 1944 01:26:02,350 --> 01:25:59,540 ever seen 1945 01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:02,360 you know for a while like we had people 1946 01:26:08,979 --> 01:26:04,880 that weren't us had tens of millions of 1947 01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:08,989 views of magical Egypt right and so lots 1948 01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:11,290 of people have seen the original series 1949 01:26:19,870 --> 01:26:14,449 right and and I think also the fact that 1950 01:26:21,790 --> 01:26:19,880 Joe Rogan has made it clear that he 1951 01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:21,800 really has enjoyed the show on more than 1952 01:26:27,310 --> 01:26:24,560 one occasion really helped with a 1953 01:26:28,900 --> 01:26:27,320 younger generation getting involved and 1954 01:26:30,340 --> 01:26:28,910 it's it's true and I know one of the 1955 01:26:33,100 --> 01:26:30,350 things that he's actually described 1956 01:26:34,780 --> 01:26:33,110 which was his wife mentioning it's like 1957 01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:34,790 you're watching magical Egypt 1958 01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:36,050 again and I've actually heard my wife 1959 01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:38,000 say that where it's like the Chris what 1960 01:26:40,419 --> 01:26:39,290 are you doing I'm like watching TV it's 1961 01:26:41,530 --> 01:26:40,429 like you're watching magical 1962 01:26:53,020 --> 01:26:41,540 Egypt again aren't you 1963 01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:53,030 but yes yes I am and but it's you know 1964 01:26:57,610 --> 01:26:56,570 it's not necessarily for everyone as it 1965 01:26:59,560 --> 01:26:57,620 were you have to have a certain amount 1966 01:27:02,189 --> 01:26:59,570 of background within you know understand 1967 01:27:05,050 --> 01:27:02,199 there's more behind and some people they 1968 01:27:06,430 --> 01:27:05,060 it's not usually within the real house 1969 01:27:08,350 --> 01:27:06,440 like it may not be within the real house 1970 01:27:10,930 --> 01:27:08,360 they may not have that particular 1971 01:27:13,570 --> 01:27:10,940 interest some people love pop music and 1972 01:27:17,229 --> 01:27:13,580 country music and and you know survivor 1973 01:27:18,910 --> 01:27:17,239 which is an awesome TV show and you know 1974 01:27:20,050 --> 01:27:18,920 some people don't or some people do but 1975 01:27:21,010 --> 01:27:20,060 they're also like well I want to know 1976 01:27:23,260 --> 01:27:21,020 about you know the meaning of the 1977 01:27:26,939 --> 01:27:23,270 universe behind you know behind the veil 1978 01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:26,949 as it were and how have you noticed the 1979 01:27:32,220 --> 01:27:29,210 breakthrough like are there people who 1980 01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:34,150 what-you-see-is-what-you-get attitude 1981 01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:36,050 who have been exposed to it who have 1982 01:27:42,010 --> 01:27:39,650 expressed to you I I came to you know 1983 01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:42,020 like I came like a babe in the woods and 1984 01:27:45,340 --> 01:27:44,330 you opened my eyes to so much like have 1985 01:27:47,620 --> 01:27:45,350 you been noticing this with the new 1986 01:27:51,939 --> 01:27:47,630 series that's been coming out I would 1987 01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:51,949 say that what is more likely is that 1988 01:27:57,939 --> 01:27:54,650 people had the cognitive dissonance that 1989 01:28:01,540 --> 01:27:57,949 what they had been told didn't make 1990 01:28:03,939 --> 01:28:01,550 sense I don't think that I have 1991 01:28:06,490 --> 01:28:03,949 converted people I don't think that 1992 01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:06,500 people who believe that the pyramids 1993 01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:11,600 were made by slaves our our audience I 1994 01:28:15,970 --> 01:28:14,330 think it's people who didn't make sense 1995 01:28:18,399 --> 01:28:15,980 and then they saw this and then they're 1996 01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:18,409 like oh thank you like we have some 1997 01:28:22,209 --> 01:28:19,610 lovely friends when we did our 1998 01:28:24,370 --> 01:28:22,219 Kickstarter we had some lovely friends 1999 01:28:26,140 --> 01:28:24,380 it's just because they were friends you 2000 01:28:29,130 --> 01:28:26,150 know bought the series and they're 2001 01:28:31,660 --> 01:28:29,140 watching this series and they're 2002 01:28:34,419 --> 01:28:31,670 overwhelmed you know completely just 2003 01:28:37,090 --> 01:28:34,429 overwhelmed and they're like wow that's 2004 01:28:38,410 --> 01:28:37,100 amazing and you guys have done such a 2005 01:28:41,169 --> 01:28:38,420 great job but I do you know my cousin 2006 01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:41,179 Bradley who I love dearly would never 2007 01:28:44,620 --> 01:28:42,800 enjoy the show you know what I mean 2008 01:28:47,979 --> 01:28:44,630 there were people that are just not 2009 01:28:49,390 --> 01:28:47,989 going to enjoy the show and that's okay 2010 01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:49,400 because we're not doing it for them 2011 01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:51,050 we're doing it for you and we're doing 2012 01:28:57,820 --> 01:28:54,560 it for for Elaine and and you know and 2013 01:28:59,620 --> 01:28:57,830 people that are passionate about this 2014 01:29:02,500 --> 01:28:59,630 kind of information because it really is 2015 01:29:06,490 --> 01:29:02,510 it's it's evolved you know it's a it's a 2016 01:29:07,660 --> 01:29:06,500 it's evolved information and how have 2017 01:29:10,990 --> 01:29:07,670 you noticed that the perceptions have 2018 01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:11,000 changed from those who are you know may 2019 01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:14,000 have been magical Egypt want adherence I 2020 01:29:19,930 --> 01:29:16,130 would say it here and so you know it can 2021 01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:19,940 who loved the original series and have 2022 01:29:24,220 --> 01:29:22,730 gone into the second and again I went to 2023 01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:24,230 the second knowing that it was coming 2024 01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:26,449 out but having gotten to know you guys 2025 01:29:29,890 --> 01:29:28,130 and going okay the way I see what 2026 01:29:32,649 --> 01:29:29,900 chances up with with with this stuff 2027 01:29:34,090 --> 01:29:32,659 because knowing that the technology has 2028 01:29:35,830 --> 01:29:34,100 changed so much from magical Egypt one 2029 01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:35,840 to magical Egypt to and the tools that 2030 01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:37,010 he had available and what he can 2031 01:29:40,810 --> 01:29:39,170 actually do with those tools I was very 2032 01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:40,820 interested to see what that and why it 2033 01:29:45,090 --> 01:29:42,800 blew my mind from a standpoint that it's 2034 01:29:47,649 --> 01:29:45,100 like this is one guy doing this stuff 2035 01:29:50,110 --> 01:29:47,659 and crafting all of the imagery that 2036 01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:50,120 year that's being seen on screen but to 2037 01:29:54,300 --> 01:29:51,920 those who may not necessarily have known 2038 01:29:56,410 --> 01:29:54,310 it and who came into magical Egypt to 2039 01:29:59,140 --> 01:29:56,420 knowing the original series is more 2040 01:30:01,209 --> 01:29:59,150 based around the nuts and bolts history 2041 01:30:03,970 --> 01:30:01,219 and the prehistory of Egypt and and 2042 01:30:05,740 --> 01:30:03,980 John's work what is some of the feedback 2043 01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:05,750 that you've received in some you know 2044 01:30:08,810 --> 01:30:07,730 things that have surprised you that 2045 01:30:15,430 --> 01:30:08,820 people have said about 2046 01:30:20,330 --> 01:30:15,440 series oh what a surprise me I would say 2047 01:30:22,580 --> 01:30:20,340 one thing which is gosh I don't even 2048 01:30:25,250 --> 01:30:22,590 know how to answer that if I get 2049 01:30:27,020 --> 01:30:25,260 comments the comments that I get I love 2050 01:30:27,410 --> 01:30:27,030 the new series thank you know what I 2051 01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:27,420 mean 2052 01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:30,690 so I really haven't had people come to 2053 01:30:38,030 --> 01:30:35,250 me with in-depth analysis of the show 2054 01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:38,040 with the exception of William John Megan 2055 01:30:46,730 --> 01:30:43,370 who is in the show coming up in the show 2056 01:30:50,300 --> 01:30:46,740 and disagrees with some of our points so 2057 01:30:51,950 --> 01:30:50,310 really I haven't had or he wants us to 2058 01:30:53,660 --> 01:30:51,960 extend some of our points more than 2059 01:30:55,310 --> 01:30:53,670 disagree with them I would say but no 2060 01:30:57,800 --> 01:30:55,320 people just say love the new show I 2061 01:31:00,950 --> 01:30:57,810 really haven't got any detailed feedback 2062 01:31:02,980 --> 01:31:00,960 sweetie and I mean I hear get you know I 2063 01:31:06,620 --> 01:31:02,990 hear you're taking too long 2064 01:31:09,650 --> 01:31:06,630 hey you can't we get them sooner you're 2065 01:31:13,250 --> 01:31:09,660 killing me I'm dying here but no I 2066 01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:13,260 really haven't had specific feedback you 2067 01:31:17,390 --> 01:31:15,570 know people will say to me oh my god I'm 2068 01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:17,400 so glad you've introduced me to kisara 2069 01:31:22,340 --> 01:31:19,650 or Osbourne or whoever it is I'm going 2070 01:31:24,830 --> 01:31:22,350 to research them now more thank you for 2071 01:31:28,540 --> 01:31:24,840 that but no really not not not anything 2072 01:31:32,930 --> 01:31:28,550 specific and in terms of the delivery 2073 01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:32,940 how did you kind of decide on your 2074 01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:35,730 streaming of the series 2075 01:31:43,190 --> 01:31:40,170 I'm basically I figured I watch Netflix 2076 01:31:45,290 --> 01:31:43,200 and I love Netflix and so there has to 2077 01:31:48,290 --> 01:31:45,300 be something out there like Netflix 2078 01:31:51,050 --> 01:31:48,300 because I'm amazed at how many people 2079 01:31:55,010 --> 01:31:51,060 buy DVDs these days to be honest I would 2080 01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:55,020 say 50/50 DVDs and stream but I wanted 2081 01:32:00,979 --> 01:31:58,560 to be able to just offer to people in 2082 01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:00,989 the format that I enjoy like somebody 2083 01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:02,850 said to me do you have bias tick Amazon 2084 01:32:06,890 --> 01:32:04,890 fire stick or something I've no idea 2085 01:32:08,330 --> 01:32:06,900 what that is and maybe because I'm in 2086 01:32:10,729 --> 01:32:08,340 Australia we don't have all that tick 2087 01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:10,739 but I'm trying to make it available to 2088 01:32:17,630 --> 01:32:13,170 people in the manner in which they would 2089 01:32:21,140 --> 01:32:17,640 like to consume it and for the average 2090 01:32:22,729 --> 01:32:21,150 amount of say those that are currently 2091 01:32:25,070 --> 01:32:22,739 consuming it like are you delivering 2092 01:32:28,250 --> 01:32:25,080 DVDs right now in addition to yes I'm 2093 01:32:30,860 --> 01:32:28,260 doing yes if you people buy DVDs they 2094 01:32:34,390 --> 01:32:30,870 get DVD and stream and if people buy a 2095 01:32:37,310 --> 01:32:34,400 stream they just get the stream okay so 2096 01:32:38,750 --> 01:32:37,320 for the amount of DVDs to the current 2097 01:32:40,850 --> 01:32:38,760 stream is is that the mass amount right 2098 01:32:42,140 --> 01:32:40,860 now streaming or is it like are there 2099 01:32:46,310 --> 01:32:42,150 still those adherents they're like okay 2100 01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:46,320 I want the 15 it's about 50 51 and for 2101 01:32:51,010 --> 01:32:47,610 high-definition or are you doing blue 2102 01:32:55,390 --> 01:32:51,020 right no sweetie we're not we use 2103 01:32:59,180 --> 01:32:55,400 Kannagi as our distribution method and 2104 01:33:02,240 --> 01:32:59,190 Kannagi do just standard hi-def but no 2105 01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:02,250 blu-ray no the reason that we do that is 2106 01:33:10,970 --> 01:33:05,250 because again going back to that kind of 2107 01:33:14,780 --> 01:33:10,980 monolithic impression we really don't we 2108 01:33:19,460 --> 01:33:14,790 do this we eat we go on a holiday once a 2109 01:33:21,530 --> 01:33:19,470 year some you know it's not making us at 2110 01:33:23,270 --> 01:33:21,540 this point in the evolution of magical 2111 01:33:25,790 --> 01:33:23,280 Egypt kind of money to be able to go out 2112 01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:25,800 and buy a thousand blu-ray DVDs at a 2113 01:33:30,050 --> 01:33:27,690 time and just have him sit on them and 2114 01:33:35,780 --> 01:33:30,060 so we're using Kannagi to be able to 2115 01:33:38,420 --> 01:33:35,790 deliver on demand okay well and for you 2116 01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:38,430 know for the audience size that even 2117 01:33:41,390 --> 01:33:39,810 though there have been I'm going to say 2118 01:33:43,010 --> 01:33:41,400 tens of millions hundreds of millions of 2119 01:33:44,270 --> 01:33:43,020 potential people around the world who 2120 01:33:45,590 --> 01:33:44,280 have watched the series or at least 2121 01:33:47,330 --> 01:33:45,600 hundreds of millions of views by tens of 2122 01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:47,340 millions of people because each one of 2123 01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:48,290 us is going to watch at 10 2124 01:33:54,700 --> 01:33:51,850 fifteen times come on people yes yes 2125 01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:54,710 even though when the new series has come 2126 01:33:59,500 --> 01:33:57,530 out you know it still takes a little bit 2127 01:34:01,420 --> 01:33:59,510 of time to have traction among the wider 2128 01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:01,430 audience that there's a certain adoption 2129 01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:07,930 phase you know you've got your you know 2130 01:34:13,030 --> 01:34:10,970 yeah so when you were looking at at the 2131 01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:13,040 first series and comparing it to the 2132 01:34:17,230 --> 01:34:16,490 second as far as adoption or you know 2133 01:34:20,650 --> 01:34:17,240 consumption 2134 01:34:22,750 --> 01:34:20,660 has there been a relatable bell curve 2135 01:34:25,210 --> 01:34:22,760 that you've noticed between the two or 2136 01:34:26,620 --> 01:34:25,220 has like is the first just you know an 2137 01:34:29,890 --> 01:34:26,630 anomaly that was like a lightning in a 2138 01:34:32,260 --> 01:34:29,900 bottle and it just demanded a follow-up 2139 01:34:33,970 --> 01:34:32,270 that needed to be extremely well 2140 01:34:38,170 --> 01:34:33,980 researched and well first to complete 2141 01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:38,180 the story how exactly like how what do 2142 01:34:42,910 --> 01:34:39,410 you attribute the for the first of the 2143 01:34:47,410 --> 01:34:42,920 series to accessor 2144 01:34:50,860 --> 01:34:47,420 not late the success but bring it to 2145 01:34:53,110 --> 01:34:50,870 that really I mean that the truth of 2146 01:34:54,610 --> 01:34:53,120 magical Egypt is that as I said we were 2147 01:34:56,620 --> 01:34:54,620 in direct response marketing which is 2148 01:34:58,720 --> 01:34:56,630 television selling people selling things 2149 01:35:00,310 --> 01:34:58,730 to people on television and this is 2150 01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:00,320 really an important subject that I want 2151 01:35:06,330 --> 01:35:01,850 to get into because I think that people 2152 01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:06,340 have no idea how much suppression of 2153 01:35:11,620 --> 01:35:10,250 information there is in America in 2154 01:35:13,780 --> 01:35:11,630 particular because that's why we were 2155 01:35:16,210 --> 01:35:13,790 trying to do it but we had a television 2156 01:35:20,260 --> 01:35:16,220 ad so we did the series we did a 2157 01:35:22,060 --> 01:35:20,270 television ad and they the way that 2158 01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:22,070 television works will work at that time 2159 01:35:28,420 --> 01:35:24,650 is you would run an ad until somebody in 2160 01:35:30,490 --> 01:35:28,430 the company a higher-up got to see the 2161 01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:30,500 ad and so they would run the television 2162 01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:31,730 ad and then they would come back to us 2163 01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:33,530 and they would say no we have to pull 2164 01:35:38,740 --> 01:35:35,810 your television ad because you're 2165 01:35:40,150 --> 01:35:38,750 speaking about religion please say you 2166 01:35:42,910 --> 01:35:40,160 know put a super on they said that this 2167 01:35:44,710 --> 01:35:42,920 is not a religious story so we would put 2168 01:35:45,910 --> 01:35:44,720 a super on and they would come back and 2169 01:35:48,340 --> 01:35:45,920 they and we put the sweeper saying this 2170 01:35:49,480 --> 01:35:48,350 is not a religious program they'd put it 2171 01:35:51,850 --> 01:35:49,490 on then they would take it down for 2172 01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:51,860 another reason and because I said before 2173 01:35:57,550 --> 01:35:54,770 I'm a little bit of a bulldog I pursued 2174 01:35:59,530 --> 01:35:57,560 the powers-that-be about the television 2175 01:36:01,869 --> 01:35:59,540 commercial why they wouldn't allow it as 2176 01:36:04,299 --> 01:36:01,879 to air it to 2177 01:36:06,489 --> 01:36:04,309 the extent that all they would come back 2178 01:36:08,919 --> 01:36:06,499 and say to me is that the higher-ups 2179 01:36:12,549 --> 01:36:08,929 said no we're not going to run this 2180 01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:12,559 television programming so magical Egypt 2181 01:36:18,009 --> 01:36:15,530 originally started out with a big a big 2182 01:36:20,379 --> 01:36:18,019 guy a nice bang people were interested 2183 01:36:22,540 --> 01:36:20,389 in it and then we was shut down by the 2184 01:36:24,250 --> 01:36:22,550 television stations we had a similar 2185 01:36:27,399 --> 01:36:24,260 thing happened when I have a program 2186 01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:27,409 it's called energy sex and it's not it's 2187 01:36:32,949 --> 01:36:29,090 not really Tantra but it's more about 2188 01:36:35,109 --> 01:36:32,959 the energetics of of making love with 2189 01:36:36,849 --> 01:36:35,119 people that I was teaching and I found a 2190 01:36:38,979 --> 01:36:36,859 very similar I didn't even try to put it 2191 01:36:41,259 --> 01:36:38,989 on television but I got through Google 2192 01:36:45,159 --> 01:36:41,269 Google I had to go on Google had alt 2193 01:36:47,169 --> 01:36:45,169 they kept telling me that I had to 2194 01:36:49,239 --> 01:36:47,179 change things and it was really you know 2195 01:36:50,979 --> 01:36:49,249 they said it was the offer so I changed 2196 01:36:53,129 --> 01:36:50,989 the offer they said you weren't you were 2197 01:36:55,239 --> 01:36:53,139 making claims I got rid of the claims Oh 2198 01:36:57,310 --> 01:36:55,249 everything that could possibly go wrong 2199 01:37:00,129 --> 01:36:57,320 everything that they said was wrong with 2200 01:37:03,989 --> 01:37:00,139 my program I took it off and they still 2201 01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:03,999 wouldn't run it but they would run porn 2202 01:37:09,009 --> 01:37:07,280 commercials on the same Google adult so 2203 01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:09,019 what I've come to understand is that 2204 01:37:17,830 --> 01:37:15,490 superstructure or infrastructure that 2205 01:37:19,410 --> 01:37:17,840 really doesn't want information out 2206 01:37:21,850 --> 01:37:19,420 there that has the potential of 2207 01:37:25,689 --> 01:37:21,860 enlightening people and I've run up 2208 01:37:28,810 --> 01:37:25,699 against it hard and so the first magical 2209 01:37:34,090 --> 01:37:28,820 Egypt really was a commercial failure 2210 01:37:36,370 --> 01:37:34,100 from our perspective and it had a huge 2211 01:37:38,709 --> 01:37:36,380 life as I said earlier of people who 2212 01:37:43,169 --> 01:37:38,719 were bootlegging it on YouTube and so 2213 01:37:45,340 --> 01:37:43,179 tens of millions of views of the series 2214 01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:45,350 really was the thing that allowed us to 2215 01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:48,650 build an audience to kind of have this 2216 01:37:55,229 --> 01:37:50,810 one at least pay the bills if you will 2217 01:37:59,370 --> 01:37:55,239 right so yeah it's been lucky that 2218 01:38:01,450 --> 01:37:59,380 Facebook doesn't have that same 2219 01:38:03,790 --> 01:38:01,460 infrastructure built into it right now 2220 01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:03,800 and I believe that suckers just trying 2221 01:38:08,530 --> 01:38:05,600 to blow out as much money as you 2222 01:38:11,020 --> 01:38:08,540 possibly can and so he little did things 2223 01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:11,030 go on without claims now and so we're 2224 01:38:15,070 --> 01:38:13,010 not running up against that same brick 2225 01:38:17,380 --> 01:38:15,080 wall that we ran out before but that 2226 01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:17,390 really hurt us when the first series 2227 01:38:22,270 --> 01:38:20,330 came out and at least it's kind of a 2228 01:38:23,950 --> 01:38:22,280 testament to the information speaking to 2229 01:38:26,380 --> 01:38:23,960 people because if you've got 2230 01:38:28,959 --> 01:38:26,390 word-of-mouth that is continuing the 2231 01:38:30,189 --> 01:38:28,969 message on even though you're not able 2232 01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:30,199 to promote it through mainstream 2233 01:38:34,419 --> 01:38:32,960 channels it goes I'll show that it's at 2234 01:38:36,939 --> 01:38:34,429 least touching people on on a level that 2235 01:38:40,300 --> 01:38:36,949 may not necessarily hit the mainstream 2236 01:38:44,229 --> 01:38:40,310 but you know the mainstream is this this 2237 01:38:45,850 --> 01:38:44,239 giant monolithic general demographic 2238 01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:45,860 that people talk about you're gonna have 2239 01:38:49,330 --> 01:38:47,449 subsets of that mainstream that are 2240 01:38:50,860 --> 01:38:49,340 likable like this speaks to me I want to 2241 01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:50,870 know more about this and then if it's 2242 01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:51,890 all my friends about it they're gonna be 2243 01:38:57,939 --> 01:38:54,530 like holy this is awesome I want to 2244 01:39:00,970 --> 01:38:57,949 know more about this and you like you 2245 01:39:03,490 --> 01:39:00,980 reach that viral like you made things 2246 01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:03,500 viral when things were still you know 2247 01:39:10,060 --> 01:39:05,770 becoming viral as far as I can actual 2248 01:39:14,740 --> 01:39:10,070 statement within within I think it was 2249 01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:14,750 Errol yeah I mean I can't even remember 2250 01:39:19,570 --> 01:39:17,330 chance knows he comes and tells me how 2251 01:39:21,189 --> 01:39:19,580 many views and it is a huge number you 2252 01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:21,199 know and I know the number of people 2253 01:39:25,260 --> 01:39:23,210 that I took down and I really wasn't 2254 01:39:27,330 --> 01:39:25,270 paying attention to it you know at 2255 01:39:28,980 --> 01:39:27,340 after magical age of one we kind of went 2256 01:39:30,060 --> 01:39:28,990 back to commercial work you know and 2257 01:39:32,730 --> 01:39:30,070 that's why I get to be executive 2258 01:39:34,890 --> 01:39:32,740 producer because I was kind of paying 2259 01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:34,900 the bills through my commercial work at 2260 01:39:39,450 --> 01:39:37,930 that point and it was just it's just 2261 01:39:42,330 --> 01:39:39,460 horrible I think the reason that I'm 2262 01:39:44,580 --> 01:39:42,340 sick today is because of the commercial 2263 01:39:48,540 --> 01:39:44,590 work I was doing this time last year 2264 01:39:50,850 --> 01:39:48,550 honestly you know and so it is very 2265 01:39:53,220 --> 01:39:50,860 lucky that so many people got to see the 2266 01:39:55,440 --> 01:39:53,230 original show and it really was viral in 2267 01:39:59,610 --> 01:39:55,450 people it was so different you know and 2268 01:40:02,430 --> 01:39:59,620 as I said John in this civilization at 2269 01:40:04,290 --> 01:40:02,440 this time books just don't carry as far 2270 01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:04,300 as television did so when we were able 2271 01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:06,370 to take John's ideas and put them into 2272 01:40:13,220 --> 01:40:09,010 video format it really just mushroomed 2273 01:40:16,380 --> 01:40:13,230 at that point now Joe I'm gonna say 2274 01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:16,390 Friday because it's a fkn Friday 2275 01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:19,450 for his name he's asking and yes the 2276 01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:21,280 powers that be do not want it out there 2277 01:40:28,980 --> 01:40:25,330 but why is the question yeah exactly 2278 01:40:36,710 --> 01:40:28,990 why is the question I believe that there 2279 01:40:38,970 --> 01:40:36,720 is a stupid people are easier to control 2280 01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:38,980 people that don't ask questions people 2281 01:40:43,980 --> 01:40:40,690 that are zombified in front of their 2282 01:40:45,890 --> 01:40:43,990 television that are enslaved dead slaves 2283 01:40:48,180 --> 01:40:45,900 that have to work 9:00 to 5:00 job 2284 01:40:50,310 --> 01:40:48,190 really don't have the time and the 2285 01:40:52,670 --> 01:40:50,320 energy to educate themselves and that's 2286 01:40:57,390 --> 01:40:52,680 great because they're easy to control 2287 01:41:00,180 --> 01:40:57,400 they're easy to fall into the Democrats 2288 01:41:04,140 --> 01:41:00,190 versus the Republicans to a storyline 2289 01:41:06,900 --> 01:41:04,150 they're easy to convince into agreeing 2290 01:41:10,260 --> 01:41:06,910 with you know obey with the kind of 2291 01:41:12,750 --> 01:41:10,270 ideas that they want to perpetuate to be 2292 01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:12,760 able to control the peak the populist I 2293 01:41:17,670 --> 01:41:15,610 mean you know the party controlling the 2294 01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:17,680 populace is really the biggest concern 2295 01:41:22,620 --> 01:41:21,040 of the government and so if people are 2296 01:41:25,980 --> 01:41:22,630 smart if they're having Kundalini 2297 01:41:28,380 --> 01:41:25,990 experiences if they if they decide that 2298 01:41:29,970 --> 01:41:28,390 they have if they decide that they start 2299 01:41:32,100 --> 01:41:29,980 to question things if they become like 2300 01:41:34,020 --> 01:41:32,110 me and say everything I've been told has 2301 01:41:38,029 --> 01:41:34,030 been a lie and start investigating 2302 01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:38,039 myself I daren't buy packaged food 2303 01:41:44,029 --> 01:41:41,760 I don't buy medicines I am I don't go to 2304 01:41:46,039 --> 01:41:44,039 the doctor except the hospital if I need 2305 01:41:49,009 --> 01:41:46,049 to but you know I don't buy into these 2306 01:41:51,619 --> 01:41:49,019 institutions that are keeping America of 2307 01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:51,629 flows and so they really don't want 2308 01:41:56,329 --> 01:41:53,489 people like me they don't want people 2309 01:41:58,579 --> 01:41:56,339 like you in society and so if they can 2310 01:42:01,039 --> 01:41:58,589 keep away you know information about 2311 01:42:03,409 --> 01:42:01,049 sexuality that will cause you to become 2312 01:42:05,149 --> 01:42:03,419 enlightened or information about Egypt 2313 01:42:07,699 --> 01:42:05,159 that will cause you to ask questions and 2314 01:42:10,759 --> 01:42:07,709 do your own research that's part of the 2315 01:42:11,839 --> 01:42:10,769 problem no you did speak on this and 2316 01:42:14,929 --> 01:42:11,849 again this is one thing that I'd like to 2317 01:42:16,339 --> 01:42:14,939 be able to at least approach because 2318 01:42:19,789 --> 01:42:16,349 you're you are a very magnetic 2319 01:42:22,759 --> 01:42:19,799 personality and the comments that I've 2320 01:42:24,979 --> 01:42:22,769 been reading in the I should say it has 2321 01:42:27,409 --> 01:42:24,989 been Venise is amazing and awesome and 2322 01:42:31,849 --> 01:42:27,419 very well-spoken and then there's the 2323 01:42:33,469 --> 01:42:31,859 the male demographic who again you know 2324 01:42:37,789 --> 01:42:33,479 guys are guys and like it's like Venise 2325 01:42:39,229 --> 01:42:37,799 is very so there is the idea that okay 2326 01:42:41,299 --> 01:42:39,239 so you have a very attractive 2327 01:42:42,949 --> 01:42:41,309 personality which is part and parcel 2328 01:42:45,949 --> 01:42:42,959 with you just being very personable and 2329 01:42:49,309 --> 01:42:45,959 being very attractive as a person now 2330 01:42:53,809 --> 01:42:49,319 how has this been a hindrance as well as 2331 01:42:57,169 --> 01:42:53,819 a I'm going to say you know help to your 2332 01:43:00,770 --> 01:42:57,179 work in and trying to get not only the 2333 01:43:02,419 --> 01:43:00,780 commercial work but also the you know 2334 01:43:06,559 --> 01:43:02,429 the magical Egypt word out there 2335 01:43:08,689 --> 01:43:06,569 especially with the new series really it 2336 01:43:10,309 --> 01:43:08,699 has in terms of magical Egypt it really 2337 01:43:13,329 --> 01:43:10,319 hasn't come to play because as you said 2338 01:43:16,279 --> 01:43:13,339 most people are talking to somebody 2339 01:43:18,829 --> 01:43:16,289 behind a messenger you know and so 2340 01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:18,839 really most people really didn't even 2341 01:43:25,549 --> 01:43:23,129 know who I was until episode 3 um oh 2342 01:43:28,099 --> 01:43:25,559 those people that bought the great work 2343 01:43:30,409 --> 01:43:28,109 series that became between the two 2344 01:43:32,329 --> 01:43:30,419 magical Egypt's might have been aware of 2345 01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:32,339 me a little bit but really I I don't 2346 01:43:38,869 --> 01:43:35,489 think me as a person really registered 2347 01:43:43,009 --> 01:43:38,879 at all from most magical age of fans in 2348 01:43:45,949 --> 01:43:43,019 terms of my commercial work I've had all 2349 01:43:47,629 --> 01:43:45,959 kinds of really funny stories um I've 2350 01:43:49,399 --> 01:43:47,639 had you know people pay me to do 2351 01:43:50,700 --> 01:43:49,409 production and then come to me and say 2352 01:43:53,250 --> 01:43:50,710 straight to my face 2353 01:43:55,950 --> 01:43:53,260 when I paid you for production I got six 2354 01:44:01,229 --> 01:43:55,960 in that deal you know and oh look I can 2355 01:44:04,919 --> 01:44:01,239 see a tail that's Coco she's she's she's 2356 01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:04,929 the official co-host of the show she's 2357 01:44:11,340 --> 01:44:07,360 gorgeous she's great she's beautiful 2358 01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:11,350 Burmese great um yes she is my brother 2359 01:44:15,689 --> 01:44:13,210 has to go had to I didn't think he has 2360 01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:15,699 them anymore a bit but I you know soso 2361 01:44:19,380 --> 01:44:17,050 some strange things I think look you 2362 01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:19,390 know being a woman I'm looking at all 2363 01:44:23,310 --> 01:44:21,520 the Kevin Spacey stuff and I look at it 2364 01:44:26,820 --> 01:44:23,320 was the Little House on the Prairie girl 2365 01:44:31,770 --> 01:44:26,830 was outraged because of Oliver Stone had 2366 01:44:34,140 --> 01:44:31,780 her read some sexy lines for a rock and 2367 01:44:36,930 --> 01:44:34,150 roll movie about the doors and she was 2368 01:44:40,770 --> 01:44:36,940 devastated by that I've had guys you 2369 01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:40,780 know pull out their penises on opportune 2370 01:44:45,180 --> 01:44:43,210 times and and you know as a woman I got 2371 01:44:47,820 --> 01:44:45,190 a pillow and I put it on their crotch 2372 01:44:50,189 --> 01:44:47,830 and said I'm not playing this game you 2373 01:44:51,899 --> 01:44:50,199 know I I don't feel I feel that there 2374 01:44:54,180 --> 01:44:51,909 might be a little bit of a witch hunt 2375 01:44:55,620 --> 01:44:54,190 going on and I know the other girls in 2376 01:44:57,540 --> 01:44:55,630 the audience probably are not gonna be 2377 01:44:59,610 --> 01:44:57,550 happy with me saying that but you know 2378 01:45:01,110 --> 01:44:59,620 the dynamic between male and female has 2379 01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:01,120 been going on since the very beginning 2380 01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:03,010 and males have tended to be the ones 2381 01:45:08,490 --> 01:45:06,000 that have had to go out on a limb to 2382 01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:08,500 explain that there is a level of 2383 01:45:11,669 --> 01:45:10,090 interest and sometimes they do it well 2384 01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:11,679 and sometimes they do it really poorly 2385 01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:14,650 you know and and when they're doing it 2386 01:45:18,030 --> 01:45:16,570 really poorly now I think it's becoming 2387 01:45:22,410 --> 01:45:18,040 a little bit of it as well witch hunt 2388 01:45:24,540 --> 01:45:22,420 but hey gorgeous so I'm kind of looking 2389 01:45:28,260 --> 01:45:24,550 at a lot of what's going on as yet 2390 01:45:30,030 --> 01:45:28,270 sometimes people go really beyond what 2391 01:45:32,250 --> 01:45:30,040 they should and they have power but 2392 01:45:33,630 --> 01:45:32,260 sometimes you know the girls can kind of 2393 01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:33,640 put a pillow on it and get out of those 2394 01:45:39,050 --> 01:45:36,370 situations too so in my professional 2395 01:45:42,689 --> 01:45:39,060 career I've had to deal with that 2396 01:45:45,959 --> 01:45:42,699 sometimes and sometimes not so does that 2397 01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:45,969 answer your question does at least I 2398 01:45:49,140 --> 01:45:47,290 want to be able to at least to address 2399 01:45:51,899 --> 01:45:49,150 the you know the elephant in the room 2400 01:45:53,220 --> 01:45:51,909 because I know that there if things when 2401 01:45:54,330 --> 01:45:53,230 I say able to look at guys are gonna be 2402 01:45:55,470 --> 01:45:54,340 able to say something about it I know 2403 01:45:58,770 --> 01:45:55,480 that some girls will be able to say it 2404 01:46:00,870 --> 01:45:58,780 as well it's for me it's like nobody's 2405 01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:00,880 blind but at the same time it's like I I 2406 01:46:04,410 --> 01:46:02,650 try and look at the 2407 01:46:06,030 --> 01:46:04,420 that higher personality for people and I 2408 01:46:07,550 --> 01:46:06,040 try and look at people's hearts and it's 2409 01:46:11,490 --> 01:46:07,560 like you know there there is more to 2410 01:46:14,100 --> 01:46:11,500 individuals then than just that physical 2411 01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:14,110 side of it so you know but it's still 2412 01:46:16,709 --> 01:46:15,489 it's nice people to get your perspective 2413 01:46:18,419 --> 01:46:16,719 from behind the scenes on that because 2414 01:46:19,830 --> 01:46:18,429 it's obviously something that if I'm 2415 01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:19,840 getting the messages it's probably come 2416 01:46:28,410 --> 01:46:26,050 up in your career so I mean you know I 2417 01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:28,420 think that the caliber of people that we 2418 01:46:35,490 --> 01:46:31,090 deal with now like you know with John 2419 01:46:37,979 --> 01:46:35,500 West and Laird and LAN and and Aaron you 2420 01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:37,989 know I mean everybody is so respectful 2421 01:46:42,870 --> 01:46:41,050 and so wonderful and and I just can't 2422 01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:42,880 get enough of them and you know I think 2423 01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:44,650 we really we're so blessed because we 2424 01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:46,690 really do enjoy each other's company so 2425 01:46:50,399 --> 01:46:48,880 much so I haven't had to worry about it 2426 01:46:55,410 --> 01:46:50,409 since I've been able to concentrate with 2427 01:46:58,470 --> 01:46:55,420 magical agent but yeah you know that's 2428 01:47:00,390 --> 01:46:58,480 how men and women interact so and it's 2429 01:47:01,530 --> 01:47:00,400 for anybody who's asking questions in 2430 01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:01,540 the YouTube chat right now this is 2431 01:47:04,020 --> 01:47:03,010 what's going on a discord and again it 2432 01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:04,030 may have only been a couple of comments 2433 01:47:08,220 --> 01:47:05,890 but it they were very respectful and and 2434 01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:08,230 you know in line with our community 2435 01:47:16,220 --> 01:47:11,920 which is one of as long as dick you're 2436 01:47:18,209 --> 01:47:16,230 not gonna get a pillow on your face so 2437 01:47:20,070 --> 01:47:18,219 thank you very much for those questions 2438 01:47:22,709 --> 01:47:20,080 and those comments ladies and ladies and 2439 01:47:27,380 --> 01:47:22,719 gentlemen but you know let's let's 2440 01:47:30,750 --> 01:47:29,610 you've you said if there was a work a 2441 01:47:32,250 --> 01:47:30,760 piece of work that was done between 2442 01:47:35,459 --> 01:47:32,260 magical you should one in magical Egypt 2443 01:47:36,930 --> 01:47:35,469 - and can you describe the work I've 2444 01:47:37,709 --> 01:47:36,940 done a little bit of research on it 2445 01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:37,719 myself 2446 01:47:41,729 --> 01:47:39,280 some of the some of the information may 2447 01:47:47,459 --> 01:47:41,739 have been behind a paywall so I didn't 2448 01:47:50,479 --> 01:47:47,469 have the means to look at it but it was 2449 01:47:54,149 --> 01:47:50,489 really it was a very awkward situation 2450 01:47:56,610 --> 01:47:54,159 after magical Egypt's had come out the 2451 01:47:59,399 --> 01:47:56,620 secret had come out and the secret was 2452 01:48:03,510 --> 01:47:59,409 this huge hit and because of magical 2453 01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:03,520 Egypt people thought I would know a lot 2454 01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:06,130 about the secret and and I mean this is 2455 01:48:09,180 --> 01:48:07,690 really weird but you know a lot of 2456 01:48:11,459 --> 01:48:09,190 people came to me and said why isn't the 2457 01:48:13,950 --> 01:48:11,469 secret working from the venire can you 2458 01:48:15,209 --> 01:48:13,960 tell me why can you ask LAN why can you 2459 01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:15,219 I do you know what 2460 01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:17,199 I've been doing all the vision boards 2461 01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:20,320 and I've been doing you know the happy 2462 01:48:23,490 --> 01:48:22,090 thing and I've been doing all the things 2463 01:48:25,380 --> 01:48:23,500 that they said that you need to do and 2464 01:48:28,890 --> 01:48:25,390 nothing's changing and nothing's helping 2465 01:48:31,410 --> 01:48:28,900 and honestly it happened so much that I 2466 01:48:34,140 --> 01:48:31,420 thought that this is really a problem in 2467 01:48:36,660 --> 01:48:34,150 society I think that going back to the 2468 01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:36,670 information the the people want to 2469 01:48:41,220 --> 01:48:38,890 squish the information there's a really 2470 01:48:45,090 --> 01:48:41,230 powerful way of squishing the 2471 01:48:48,420 --> 01:48:45,100 information is by flooding the market 2472 01:48:51,170 --> 01:48:48,430 with too much information as well and so 2473 01:48:55,470 --> 01:48:51,180 the secret came in and had an esoteric 2474 01:48:58,650 --> 01:48:55,480 story but it was told inappropriately 2475 01:49:00,180 --> 01:48:58,660 and confused all of the people that were 2476 01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:00,190 seekers and that really would have been 2477 01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:01,810 interested not all of the people but a 2478 01:49:05,130 --> 01:49:03,370 lot of the people that would have been 2479 01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:05,140 interested in following this esoteric 2480 01:49:11,070 --> 01:49:08,080 information so the great work was a 2481 01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:11,080 reaction to that and it was really 2482 01:49:19,709 --> 01:49:14,800 trying to put into perspective the the 2483 01:49:24,060 --> 01:49:19,719 laws the laws the universal laws so what 2484 01:49:26,939 --> 01:49:24,070 happened was chance was not really 2485 01:49:29,670 --> 01:49:26,949 interested so much in doing a kind of a 2486 01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:29,680 service in the unannounced land and he 2487 01:49:34,650 --> 01:49:31,570 was much more interested in in looking 2488 01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:34,660 at the mysteries per se and so the great 2489 01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:37,449 work kind of starts off trying to 2490 01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:40,090 address the secret which is very dated 2491 01:49:49,020 --> 01:49:43,330 now and turns into a look at the 2492 01:49:53,820 --> 01:49:49,030 mysteries via kind of the five different 2493 01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:53,830 levels and lots of different disciplines 2494 01:49:58,650 --> 01:49:55,810 so we have some Turo we have some magic 2495 01:50:02,280 --> 01:49:58,660 we have who I absolutely adore you had 2496 01:50:03,900 --> 01:50:02,290 him on the body what's his name who's a 2497 01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:03,910 druid and he's just fantastic 2498 01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:06,250 John Michael grill john michael greer 2499 01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:08,410 right he's just absolutely one of those 2500 01:50:12,930 --> 01:50:10,210 brilliant people i've ever met 2501 01:50:14,300 --> 01:50:12,940 so he's he's in there as well looking at 2502 01:50:17,700 --> 01:50:14,310 it from a different kind of perspective 2503 01:50:19,860 --> 01:50:17,710 we have a woman who is a meditation she 2504 01:50:21,330 --> 01:50:19,870 does esoteric meditation so she's 2505 01:50:23,790 --> 01:50:21,340 looking at it so everybody's kind of 2506 01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:23,800 looking at you know the material plane 2507 01:50:33,030 --> 01:50:27,970 the mental plane the emotional claim the 2508 01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:33,040 two more kind of saltation whatever you 2509 01:50:36,510 --> 01:50:34,570 call it but looking at that from all 2510 01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:36,520 different kinds of mysteries so that 2511 01:50:40,860 --> 01:50:38,170 people who are interested in the 2512 01:50:43,020 --> 01:50:40,870 mysteries can really kind of get a great 2513 01:50:46,350 --> 01:50:43,030 foundation and that's what the great 2514 01:50:48,690 --> 01:50:46,360 work is and how is this continued on 2515 01:50:50,940 --> 01:50:48,700 with your current esoteric work and and 2516 01:50:54,150 --> 01:50:50,950 how is that evolved whether from a 2517 01:50:56,460 --> 01:50:54,160 collegiate or on your own research you 2518 01:50:58,740 --> 01:50:56,470 you do research for magical each but you 2519 01:51:02,910 --> 01:50:58,750 also do your own work on the side so it 2520 01:51:09,110 --> 01:51:02,920 can you give more detail on that very 2521 01:51:14,820 --> 01:51:11,550 credible interest and then dropping down 2522 01:51:17,370 --> 01:51:14,830 I call it the ceiling yes the 2523 01:51:21,930 --> 01:51:17,380 ceiling I've kind of hit the 2524 01:51:24,780 --> 01:51:21,940 ceiling and I really if anybody asks me 2525 01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:24,790 what do I believe I have to say I really 2526 01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:26,800 don't know anything sweetheart I don't 2527 01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:29,440 there are lots of ideas that I like to 2528 01:51:34,890 --> 01:51:32,170 play with and I go through in my own 2529 01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:34,900 research I go through stages where I'll 2530 01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:36,730 research an idea you know a particular 2531 01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:39,010 idea or a particular body of work and 2532 01:51:43,710 --> 01:51:41,890 I'll play with it and I'll enjoy it you 2533 01:51:47,490 --> 01:51:43,720 know where I'll just you know push it to 2534 01:51:51,930 --> 01:51:47,500 the side but really there's so much that 2535 01:51:53,730 --> 01:51:51,940 I don't know that I will just I I won't 2536 01:51:55,410 --> 01:51:53,740 lay claim to anything you know I 2537 01:51:58,290 --> 01:51:55,420 I'll play with things I'll discuss them 2538 01:51:59,640 --> 01:51:58,300 with you for instance there's a body of 2539 01:52:03,000 --> 01:51:59,650 work that I'm looking at now from a 2540 01:52:04,890 --> 01:52:03,010 woman who has done hypnotherapy and past 2541 01:52:07,410 --> 01:52:04,900 life regression of thousands of people 2542 01:52:10,350 --> 01:52:07,420 and she's reported back about after life 2543 01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:10,360 and between life experiences and a lot 2544 01:52:15,090 --> 01:52:12,370 of that lines up with what my father 2545 01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:15,100 told me about when you know what happens 2546 01:52:19,740 --> 01:52:17,050 when you die from when I was five years 2547 01:52:21,750 --> 01:52:19,750 old and so I kind of stack up little 2548 01:52:23,940 --> 01:52:21,760 piece of pieces of information that 2549 01:52:26,190 --> 01:52:23,950 validate each other but you know in 2550 01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:26,200 terms of can I tell you what happens to 2551 01:52:29,940 --> 01:52:28,330 you after your died after you die how 2552 01:52:31,740 --> 01:52:29,950 does it line up with you know the Book 2553 01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:31,750 of the Dead and those kinds of things 2554 01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:33,760 you know I can kind of pull pieces 2555 01:52:40,109 --> 01:52:36,250 together but I'm not at a place where I 2556 01:52:42,869 --> 01:52:40,119 have any confidence in my own belief 2557 01:52:46,259 --> 01:52:42,879 system if that makes sense I know what I 2558 01:52:48,209 --> 01:52:46,269 don't know IIIi can understand and again 2559 01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:48,219 I do apologize if I'm batting at the air 2560 01:52:58,709 --> 01:52:51,010 here I'm petting Coco and she seems to 2561 01:53:00,989 --> 01:52:58,719 be shedding so there's a lot of fur and 2562 01:53:03,899 --> 01:53:00,999 like we're coming close to the two Alamo 2563 01:53:05,310 --> 01:53:03,909 on this show and another so I like we 2564 01:53:08,399 --> 01:53:05,320 try and keep things around two hour but 2565 01:53:11,100 --> 01:53:08,409 we can you know go was I know the last 2566 01:53:12,750 --> 01:53:11,110 time that you interviewed me and I just 2567 01:53:15,540 --> 01:53:12,760 babbled on for you know a good hour and 2568 01:53:17,359 --> 01:53:15,550 a half which was I think was amazing 2569 01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:17,369 because you asked fantastic questions 2570 01:53:22,549 --> 01:53:19,449 and I'm trying to be able to to find 2571 01:53:25,169 --> 01:53:22,559 what and how we not covered as far as 2572 01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:25,179 information I'm going back to that 2573 01:53:29,459 --> 01:53:27,280 particular conversation that you and I 2574 01:53:31,169 --> 01:53:29,469 had which which which for the most part 2575 01:53:33,029 --> 01:53:31,179 was in regards to the nature of the 2576 01:53:35,699 --> 01:53:33,039 universe and it kind of how we saw 2577 01:53:38,369 --> 01:53:35,709 things and how was it you've been able 2578 01:53:40,350 --> 01:53:38,379 to at least understand what do you see 2579 01:53:44,609 --> 01:53:40,360 the universe as I know this is a very 2580 01:53:48,419 --> 01:53:44,619 very big broad well a question I'll tell 2581 01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:48,429 you right now okay what I'm literally in 2582 01:53:53,969 --> 01:53:51,010 the middle of investigating right now is 2583 01:53:57,649 --> 01:53:53,979 the idea that there is I'm going to use 2584 01:54:00,449 --> 01:53:57,659 William megan's where a matrix of wisdom 2585 01:54:02,429 --> 01:54:00,459 that is basically if you want to call it 2586 01:54:04,649 --> 01:54:02,439 the Akashic record or you know the 2587 01:54:06,679 --> 01:54:04,659 unconscious mind this deep or the super 2588 01:54:11,489 --> 01:54:06,689 conscious mind that there is a level of 2589 01:54:15,959 --> 01:54:11,499 information out there that we all have 2590 01:54:19,759 --> 01:54:15,969 access to and what I'm playing with is 2591 01:54:26,250 --> 01:54:19,769 I'm looking at the idea of do I create 2592 01:54:30,569 --> 01:54:26,260 the universe or am I is the universe 2593 01:54:33,389 --> 01:54:30,579 created around this Spock of me which is 2594 01:54:38,549 --> 01:54:33,399 kind of a solipsist ik view which I 2595 01:54:41,100 --> 01:54:38,559 really have not had a lot of pleasure 2596 01:54:44,250 --> 01:54:41,110 for in the past but it's something that 2597 01:54:46,500 --> 01:54:44,260 I am trying to get wrap my head around 2598 01:54:48,689 --> 01:54:46,510 again because one of the things that's 2599 01:54:51,629 --> 01:54:48,699 really interesting in his work is 2600 01:54:53,140 --> 01:54:51,639 something that we're finding this idea 2601 01:54:56,890 --> 01:54:53,150 of this universal 2602 01:54:59,080 --> 01:54:56,900 wisdom that is out there people say 2603 01:55:00,700 --> 01:54:59,090 right now we have rich kisara saying 2604 01:55:04,180 --> 01:55:00,710 there was a mother culture you know hey 2605 01:55:06,340 --> 01:55:04,190 hey Atlantis all of the symbolism comes 2606 01:55:08,410 --> 01:55:06,350 through that there is another school of 2607 01:55:10,150 --> 01:55:08,420 thought that Brad Claussen is looking at 2608 01:55:12,250 --> 01:55:10,160 the William Megan is looking at it 2609 01:55:15,010 --> 01:55:12,260 there's a universal blueprint of 2610 01:55:22,140 --> 01:55:15,020 information that we have access to to be 2611 01:55:26,050 --> 01:55:22,150 able to pull down this wisdom from and 2612 01:55:29,020 --> 01:55:26,060 do they fit together are they can they 2613 01:55:32,980 --> 01:55:29,030 work together are they at odds with each 2614 01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:32,990 other and how does that impact me as an 2615 01:55:36,910 --> 01:55:35,570 individual so I again there's lots of 2616 01:55:40,180 --> 01:55:36,920 things that I can play with but can I 2617 01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:40,190 can I put my finger on am i am i one 2618 01:55:43,810 --> 01:55:43,130 drop in the ocean am i creating the 2619 01:55:47,770 --> 01:55:43,820 ocean 2620 01:55:49,510 --> 01:55:47,780 I have really no ability to answer that 2621 01:55:53,230 --> 01:55:49,520 but I love playing with both of those 2622 01:55:54,190 --> 01:55:53,240 ideas and what are the some of the Amara 2623 01:55:55,960 --> 01:55:54,200 to see some of the answers because 2624 01:55:58,690 --> 01:55:55,970 obviously this type of discovery is is 2625 01:56:00,280 --> 01:55:58,700 ongoing what's your take on it right now 2626 01:56:03,479 --> 01:56:00,290 what would you say that would be the 2627 01:56:04,979 --> 01:56:03,489 thing that's you're leaning more towards 2628 01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:04,989 or what are you finding very interesting 2629 01:56:19,850 --> 01:56:15,920 I would say that if I look I'm I'm if I 2630 01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:19,860 look at the research that the woman that 2631 01:56:27,980 --> 01:56:24,810 did the hypnotherapy between lives and 2632 01:56:32,260 --> 01:56:27,990 if I look at William Megan's work right 2633 01:56:37,990 --> 01:56:32,270 now the idea is that I don't necessarily 2634 01:56:40,160 --> 01:56:38,000 create they're up there oh gosh honey 2635 01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:40,170 hey again I don't know if I agree with 2636 01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:41,730 it though sweetie so I don't know I I 2637 01:56:47,270 --> 01:56:43,290 don't know if I agree with it but the 2638 01:56:52,340 --> 01:56:47,280 idea is that there are pine Neil glands 2639 01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:52,350 that create I'll give you a give you an 2640 01:56:56,570 --> 01:56:54,570 example when we when we look in Episode 2641 01:56:59,600 --> 01:56:56,580 three we talk about the fact that there 2642 01:57:01,880 --> 01:56:59,610 is another realm of reality that if you 2643 01:57:04,850 --> 01:57:01,890 get into the hypnagogic state you can go 2644 01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:04,860 into a reality that is just as real as 2645 01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:07,650 this reality and in that reality if you 2646 01:57:12,380 --> 01:57:10,560 go you can visit and things it's the 2647 01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:12,390 same reality and things have changed 2648 01:57:16,100 --> 01:57:14,490 just like if I go to Melbourne Melbourne 2649 01:57:18,830 --> 01:57:16,110 still exists but things have changed 2650 01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:18,840 there's different times back there so if 2651 01:57:24,950 --> 01:57:22,770 you go onto DMT oh if you do DMT and you 2652 01:57:27,470 --> 01:57:24,960 go into that reality that reality is 2653 01:57:29,450 --> 01:57:27,480 just as real as you'll see in the next 2654 01:57:31,610 --> 01:57:29,460 episode Rick Strassman has people 2655 01:57:34,190 --> 01:57:31,620 reporting that that real that reality is 2656 01:57:38,750 --> 01:57:34,200 even more real than this reality so in 2657 01:57:41,390 --> 01:57:38,760 one respect this reality could be a very 2658 01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:41,400 persistent dream that we're existing in 2659 01:57:46,580 --> 01:57:44,490 that it we think it's real because it's 2660 01:57:48,980 --> 01:57:46,590 persistent where the dreams that we have 2661 01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:48,990 at night Shane one is a dinosaur one 2662 01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:50,370 night we're in Paris one night we're in 2663 01:57:56,750 --> 01:57:52,800 Mars and it's not persistent and so this 2664 01:57:59,870 --> 01:57:56,760 reality feels as it it makes us believe 2665 01:58:02,360 --> 01:57:59,880 that it's actually real so if you think 2666 01:58:04,610 --> 01:58:02,370 about the imaginal realm as being real 2667 01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:04,620 and the DMT rama's being real and this 2668 01:58:10,190 --> 01:58:06,930 reality is being real then this reality 2669 01:58:12,710 --> 01:58:10,200 might not be as real as we think and if 2670 01:58:14,540 --> 01:58:12,720 it isn't and if you look at the way that 2671 01:58:17,030 --> 01:58:14,550 eyes work and hi is not really seeing 2672 01:58:19,640 --> 01:58:17,040 eyes are creating imagery inside of our 2673 01:58:22,280 --> 01:58:19,650 brain the idea that we had just a pine 2674 01:58:23,950 --> 01:58:22,290 Neil creating this very well could be 2675 01:58:26,470 --> 01:58:23,960 what it is 2676 01:58:29,620 --> 01:58:26,480 right so the biggest question for me is 2677 01:58:32,590 --> 01:58:29,630 really what is reality and I did this 2678 01:58:35,140 --> 01:58:32,600 amazing in the great Network which is 2679 01:58:37,780 --> 01:58:35,150 the the social community built up a 2680 01:58:40,540 --> 01:58:37,790 metaphor for the great work there was a 2681 01:58:42,729 --> 01:58:40,550 woman that had a series of 7-day 2682 01:58:45,250 --> 01:58:42,739 practices that you should do one for 2683 01:58:48,100 --> 01:58:45,260 seven days looking for the glitches in 2684 01:58:51,250 --> 01:58:48,110 the matrix in reality and I did that and 2685 01:58:54,970 --> 01:58:51,260 I found glitches in the matrix in this 2686 01:59:01,390 --> 01:58:54,980 reality and because of that I'm very 2687 01:59:03,670 --> 01:59:01,400 much open to not believing like to 2688 01:59:04,959 --> 01:59:03,680 exploring what is reality so I don't 2689 01:59:07,090 --> 01:59:04,969 have an answer it's more that I'm 2690 01:59:10,690 --> 01:59:07,100 exploring all of these different venues 2691 01:59:12,190 --> 01:59:10,700 does that make sense it does and again 2692 01:59:13,510 --> 01:59:12,200 coming from YouTube chat I know this is 2693 01:59:16,540 --> 01:59:13,520 probably asked a couple minutes ago so 2694 01:59:18,490 --> 01:59:16,550 Bram do I do apologize what do you what 2695 01:59:19,750 --> 01:59:18,500 do you think at least at this point I'm 2696 01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:19,760 trying to be able to ask the questions 2697 01:59:22,780 --> 01:59:21,050 to ensure there's a little bit of a flow 2698 01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:22,790 and to me to make sure that I'm dropping 2699 01:59:27,160 --> 01:59:24,650 then at the right time 2700 01:59:29,080 --> 01:59:27,170 now Bram is asking what do you think I'm 2701 01:59:32,260 --> 01:59:29,090 the kind of a society we would have is 2702 01:59:34,510 --> 01:59:32,270 if everyone were all woke it won't be 2703 01:59:38,770 --> 01:59:34,520 impossible to govern you know is that 2704 01:59:42,070 --> 01:59:38,780 the goal is is that control okay so 2705 01:59:43,890 --> 01:59:42,080 that's a really interesting question and 2706 01:59:45,820 --> 01:59:43,900 I don't think we have to worry about it 2707 01:59:49,030 --> 01:59:45,830 for a while 2708 01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:49,040 I listen to mock Paseo quite a bit and I 2709 01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:52,010 find him interesting because he looks at 2710 01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:54,290 the universal laws and he looks at the 2711 01:59:59,410 --> 01:59:56,330 trivia and the quadrivium and really the 2712 02:00:01,470 --> 01:59:59,420 natural laws of man and a lot of people 2713 02:00:06,130 --> 02:00:01,480 don't like map SEO because he's very 2714 02:00:08,680 --> 02:00:06,140 direct and but he has a lot of wisdom 2715 02:00:13,900 --> 02:00:08,690 and so I kind of look through his 2716 02:00:17,290 --> 02:00:13,910 directness and well you know I mean if 2717 02:00:19,150 --> 02:00:17,300 you look at where we are if you look at 2718 02:00:20,890 --> 02:00:19,160 where the G you look at the Egyptians I 2719 02:00:22,330 --> 02:00:20,900 think the Egyptians are a really good 2720 02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:22,340 example the ancient Egyptians are a 2721 02:00:27,610 --> 02:00:24,410 great example the ones that were able to 2722 02:00:28,900 --> 02:00:27,620 build these amazing monuments the ones 2723 02:00:30,760 --> 02:00:28,910 that have this organic and holistic 2724 02:00:35,110 --> 02:00:30,770 technology that we're just beginning to 2725 02:00:36,430 --> 02:00:35,120 understand how many peace no Wars is 2726 02:00:39,050 --> 02:00:36,440 what my 2727 02:00:43,630 --> 02:00:39,060 like I mean I don't think peace people 2728 02:00:48,350 --> 02:00:43,640 say peace we live in a we live in a in a 2729 02:00:50,480 --> 02:00:48,360 dualistic time-space continuum right so 2730 02:00:52,010 --> 02:00:50,490 I think there's always going to be peace 2731 02:00:54,410 --> 02:00:52,020 in the opposite of it but does it have 2732 02:00:58,400 --> 02:00:54,420 to be the wars that we have right now 2733 02:01:01,760 --> 02:00:58,410 that you know if people woke I think 2734 02:01:05,509 --> 02:01:01,770 that to start off with people wouldn't 2735 02:01:10,669 --> 02:01:08,089 making fuss about things that aren't 2736 02:01:13,339 --> 02:01:10,679 right you know one of chances very 2737 02:01:15,709 --> 02:01:13,349 mundane things that he gets upset about 2738 02:01:18,470 --> 02:01:15,719 is that you buy food that contains 2739 02:01:20,060 --> 02:01:18,480 things they try to the contain things 2740 02:01:22,549 --> 02:01:20,070 that you don't want them to for instance 2741 02:01:24,529 --> 02:01:22,559 he does he's allergic to MSG so they 2742 02:01:27,560 --> 02:01:24,539 don't say there's MSG in the food they 2743 02:01:29,180 --> 02:01:27,570 say natural flavors so he ends up buying 2744 02:01:31,879 --> 02:01:29,190 something thinking it's not gonna make 2745 02:01:34,910 --> 02:01:31,889 him sick and it does so in a work world 2746 02:01:37,459 --> 02:01:34,920 they wouldn't put msg in food or if they 2747 02:01:38,989 --> 02:01:37,469 did they would say msg you know they 2748 02:01:41,390 --> 02:01:38,999 wouldn't be trying to rip off and steal 2749 02:01:43,399 --> 02:01:41,400 and lie and cheat and things and so I 2750 02:01:44,870 --> 02:01:43,409 think a work world would be better I 2751 02:01:47,299 --> 02:01:44,880 think a work world would have a 2752 02:01:49,430 --> 02:01:47,309 government that serves the people rather 2753 02:01:53,689 --> 02:01:49,440 than a government that does whatever the 2754 02:01:56,839 --> 02:01:53,699 hell it wants just you know disregarding 2755 02:01:59,720 --> 02:01:56,849 the people so I I think work is good i I 2756 02:02:01,819 --> 02:01:59,730 think there's lots of layers and lots of 2757 02:02:04,899 --> 02:02:01,829 levels of work I've been through many 2758 02:02:07,750 --> 02:02:04,909 different layers of whoa can done work 2759 02:02:10,399 --> 02:02:07,760 you know but but yes people that are 2760 02:02:13,669 --> 02:02:10,409 moral you know people that actually have 2761 02:02:18,890 --> 02:02:13,679 morality like you the fact that you cut 2762 02:02:23,989 --> 02:02:18,900 up and made that speech about the state 2763 02:02:25,459 --> 02:02:23,999 of what I mean and you know what do you 2764 02:02:28,970 --> 02:02:25,469 call it people trying to deliver 2765 02:02:33,229 --> 02:02:28,980 information that's not true as true you 2766 02:02:36,830 --> 02:02:33,239 know that people doing that is woke is 2767 02:02:39,470 --> 02:02:36,840 you know calling a spade a spade it was 2768 02:02:41,720 --> 02:02:39,480 work and that's great I may have had one 2769 02:02:42,859 --> 02:02:41,730 or two again I said like before we got 2770 02:02:44,299 --> 02:02:42,869 on I like that was an overwhelmingly 2771 02:02:46,450 --> 02:02:44,309 positive response and again thank you 2772 02:02:50,660 --> 02:02:46,460 very much for everyone who watched it 2773 02:02:52,009 --> 02:02:50,670 but you know I got the one or two like 2774 02:02:54,589 --> 02:02:52,019 Oh like oh like you're a part of the 2775 02:02:56,060 --> 02:02:54,599 Illuminati like your reptilian you know 2776 02:02:58,489 --> 02:02:56,070 shapeshifter I'm just like it like dude 2777 02:03:01,549 --> 02:02:58,499 like did you not like did you watch the 2778 02:03:02,810 --> 02:03:01,559 video like there are certain levels 2779 02:03:04,279 --> 02:03:02,820 it'll from what I've been able to 2780 02:03:06,890 --> 02:03:04,289 understand there are certain levels yes 2781 02:03:09,080 --> 02:03:06,900 of woke there is your woke but still 2782 02:03:11,120 --> 02:03:09,090 kind of asleep there is your woke as 2783 02:03:13,939 --> 02:03:11,130 where you know you're able to 2784 02:03:16,009 --> 02:03:13,949 perceive multiple dimensions of reality 2785 02:03:17,689 --> 02:03:16,019 all at the same time and then there's 2786 02:03:18,870 --> 02:03:17,699 your whole it's like I'm kind of tired 2787 02:03:20,160 --> 02:03:18,880 of this because it's all 2788 02:03:21,840 --> 02:03:20,170 and I'm gonna go back to sleep for a 2789 02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:21,850 little bit and you're still woke but you 2790 02:03:25,740 --> 02:03:24,610 just like like alright so I'm walk 2791 02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:25,750 that's good like what are you gonna do 2792 02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:30,010 with it and you know there's it's the 2793 02:03:35,390 --> 02:03:31,930 ability to understand that it's not 2794 02:03:37,980 --> 02:03:35,400 necessarily about being awake there is a 2795 02:03:40,290 --> 02:03:37,990 way the status of being woke doesn't 2796 02:03:42,270 --> 02:03:40,300 matter it's knowing that there are some 2797 02:03:43,710 --> 02:03:42,280 responsibilities with coming from yes 2798 02:03:46,500 --> 02:03:43,720 exactly 2799 02:03:48,870 --> 02:03:46,510 here's the thing it's like you can be as 2800 02:03:50,730 --> 02:03:48,880 work as you want if you don't do 2801 02:03:53,970 --> 02:03:50,740 anything about it you may as well be 2802 02:03:56,010 --> 02:03:53,980 asleep because there's the ideas and 2803 02:03:58,800 --> 02:03:56,020 then the actions and in this material 2804 02:04:01,380 --> 02:03:58,810 world where everything is dense and 2805 02:04:03,780 --> 02:04:01,390 material you have to act against the 2806 02:04:05,910 --> 02:04:03,790 material to have anything come to 2807 02:04:08,580 --> 02:04:05,920 fruition right so yes you're absolutely 2808 02:04:10,860 --> 02:04:08,590 right so doing what you did is a sign of 2809 02:04:13,350 --> 02:04:10,870 being work and putting it into play and 2810 02:04:16,020 --> 02:04:13,360 it's an example for other people so it's 2811 02:04:20,930 --> 02:04:16,030 absolutely fabulous yes you have to walk 2812 02:04:25,380 --> 02:04:20,940 the talk as well and there is also the 2813 02:04:27,240 --> 02:04:25,390 I'm going to say the the pitfalls of if 2814 02:04:29,700 --> 02:04:27,250 you're being woke but you're still being 2815 02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:29,710 a follower at the same time you know you 2816 02:04:32,610 --> 02:04:31,090 can have individuals who are free 2817 02:04:33,720 --> 02:04:32,620 thinking who congregate together because 2818 02:04:35,670 --> 02:04:33,730 you believe in free thinking and there 2819 02:04:37,260 --> 02:04:35,680 can be disagreement within a certain 2820 02:04:39,630 --> 02:04:37,270 group or within a certain idea and 2821 02:04:41,490 --> 02:04:39,640 disagreement is not bad disagreement is 2822 02:04:42,240 --> 02:04:41,500 how you progress an idea to be able to 2823 02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:42,250 look at it from different perspectives 2824 02:04:47,010 --> 02:04:45,850 and you can generally tell the 2825 02:04:48,300 --> 02:04:47,020 difference between when somebody's 2826 02:04:49,380 --> 02:04:48,310 trying to push a narrative and when 2827 02:04:52,380 --> 02:04:49,390 somebody's actually trying to be able to 2828 02:04:54,750 --> 02:04:52,390 foster inherent and healthy discussion 2829 02:04:58,140 --> 02:04:54,760 and that's a healthy discussions okay 2830 02:05:01,740 --> 02:04:58,150 but there are you know there has to be a 2831 02:05:02,940 --> 02:05:01,750 certain amount of self self-reflection 2832 02:05:04,740 --> 02:05:02,950 with being woke you can't just 2833 02:05:07,410 --> 02:05:04,750 you can't leave oak and look at the 2834 02:05:08,520 --> 02:05:07,420 outside you have to be able to say to 2835 02:05:10,500 --> 02:05:08,530 yourself okay well what is it I'm 2836 02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:10,510 feeling how am i reacting to this what 2837 02:05:16,050 --> 02:05:13,930 is my perception of this reality this 2838 02:05:17,970 --> 02:05:16,060 reality that's being presented to me and 2839 02:05:20,490 --> 02:05:17,980 and what is it about it that's making 2840 02:05:22,680 --> 02:05:20,500 react in a certain way and it's those 2841 02:05:25,830 --> 02:05:22,690 types of things that can cause a person 2842 02:05:27,450 --> 02:05:25,840 to you know like question selves and 2843 02:05:29,640 --> 02:05:27,460 start to break through that cognitive 2844 02:05:32,580 --> 02:05:29,650 dissonance that a lot of people find yes 2845 02:05:35,310 --> 02:05:32,590 yes and the cognitive dissonance 2846 02:05:37,310 --> 02:05:35,320 you have that that's fantastic because 2847 02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:37,320 what you're realizing is that your 2848 02:05:42,899 --> 02:05:40,090 feelings don't match what you're being 2849 02:05:45,209 --> 02:05:42,909 told so you're actually starting to feel 2850 02:05:47,310 --> 02:05:45,219 like you were saying when you're having 2851 02:05:49,979 --> 02:05:47,320 an argument with somebody it's really 2852 02:05:52,770 --> 02:05:49,989 great to get to go being conscious is 2853 02:05:54,899 --> 02:05:52,780 the biggest gift that I can I can I can 2854 02:05:57,209 --> 02:05:54,909 share with people is that if you can be 2855 02:05:59,729 --> 02:05:57,219 aware of what's happening with you while 2856 02:06:01,680 --> 02:05:59,739 you're having a heated discussion and 2857 02:06:04,050 --> 02:06:01,690 saying okay well I'm feeling something 2858 02:06:05,669 --> 02:06:04,060 why am I feeling that he's attacking 2859 02:06:07,740 --> 02:06:05,679 something that I believe now is that 2860 02:06:10,200 --> 02:06:07,750 valid is it not if you can go into that 2861 02:06:12,330 --> 02:06:10,210 and start analyzing it you're going to 2862 02:06:16,950 --> 02:06:12,340 learn I think the Trivium is is logic 2863 02:06:20,060 --> 02:06:16,960 grammar part of the whole system of the 2864 02:06:22,589 --> 02:06:20,070 Trivium is the ability to bring your 2865 02:06:25,020 --> 02:06:22,599 research up against somebody else's 2866 02:06:27,839 --> 02:06:25,030 research and crash so that the 2867 02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:27,849 information the idea can get perfected 2868 02:06:32,700 --> 02:06:29,530 and perfected and perfect and perfected 2869 02:06:34,439 --> 02:06:32,710 if you can't bring your information it 2870 02:06:36,660 --> 02:06:34,449 can argue it with somebody else 2871 02:06:39,359 --> 02:06:36,670 the truth is never going to come out 2872 02:06:42,300 --> 02:06:39,369 okay so the whole idea is the ability to 2873 02:06:44,129 --> 02:06:42,310 to mush those things until the truth is 2874 02:06:45,479 --> 02:06:44,139 revealed and I believe the third one was 2875 02:06:48,120 --> 02:06:45,489 rhetoric and I know that you and I got 2876 02:06:49,500 --> 02:06:48,130 called out the last time and it's like 2877 02:06:50,729 --> 02:06:49,510 you've got your you've got your research 2878 02:06:52,140 --> 02:06:50,739 you've got your ability to think it 2879 02:06:53,490 --> 02:06:52,150 through critically and then you've got 2880 02:06:56,430 --> 02:06:53,500 your ability to be able to demonstrate 2881 02:06:58,140 --> 02:06:56,440 it and converse in a logical and 2882 02:07:00,180 --> 02:06:58,150 rational manner on that particular 2883 02:07:02,010 --> 02:07:00,190 subject and like even for myself it's 2884 02:07:03,600 --> 02:07:02,020 like you know there are times when it's 2885 02:07:05,729 --> 02:07:03,610 like my writer breaks down and I'm just 2886 02:07:07,050 --> 02:07:05,739 an usual and that happens I'm just like 2887 02:07:10,140 --> 02:07:07,060 fed up with something it's like you know 2888 02:07:11,970 --> 02:07:10,150 what like I deal with this like if 2889 02:07:15,600 --> 02:07:11,980 I'm having a discussion with somebody 2890 02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:15,610 and they're obviously at least in my 2891 02:07:19,109 --> 02:07:17,170 opinion completely delusional it's like 2892 02:07:20,700 --> 02:07:19,119 I'm not going to discuss this with you 2893 02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:20,710 because I know that you're wrong you 2894 02:07:24,899 --> 02:07:22,810 don't know that you're wrong and I don't 2895 02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:24,909 have the time or the ability or the 2896 02:07:29,250 --> 02:07:26,530 patience to deal with you right now 2897 02:07:31,200 --> 02:07:29,260 because it's like do I if I'm going to 2898 02:07:32,910 --> 02:07:31,210 do it like am I gonna try and 2899 02:07:35,729 --> 02:07:32,920 rationalize with the two-year-old on why 2900 02:07:37,500 --> 02:07:35,739 it's time for nap time no it's just time 2901 02:07:39,390 --> 02:07:37,510 for nap time you don't like you know 2902 02:07:41,010 --> 02:07:39,400 that that is the level of discussion 2903 02:07:43,020 --> 02:07:41,020 that it can sometimes break down to and 2904 02:07:44,790 --> 02:07:43,030 you can sometimes you know you knowingly 2905 02:07:46,240 --> 02:07:44,800 break out of that you're like you think 2906 02:07:49,000 --> 02:07:46,250 after the conversation like 2907 02:07:50,710 --> 02:07:49,010 was that too far too much of an 2908 02:07:56,680 --> 02:07:50,720 you're like no like it doesn't 2909 02:07:58,120 --> 02:07:56,690 matter you know it's hi I would be the 2910 02:08:00,960 --> 02:07:58,130 same I would digging my heels and I 2911 02:08:04,480 --> 02:08:00,970 would try to convince somebody of my 2912 02:08:06,010 --> 02:08:04,490 opinion you know and now at 52 you'll 2913 02:08:07,330 --> 02:08:06,020 see on my page if somebody says 2914 02:08:09,700 --> 02:08:07,340 something that I don't agree they'll 2915 02:08:11,320 --> 02:08:09,710 like it and move on and I saved myself 2916 02:08:14,050 --> 02:08:11,330 so much grieve and so much aggravation 2917 02:08:15,550 --> 02:08:14,060 and so much time and you know so many 2918 02:08:18,040 --> 02:08:15,560 bad feelings is just like if they want 2919 02:08:19,450 --> 02:08:18,050 to believe that that's fine I don't have 2920 02:08:22,060 --> 02:08:19,460 to believe what I want to believe and 2921 02:08:24,820 --> 02:08:22,070 and if I am having a discussion I have 2922 02:08:27,460 --> 02:08:24,830 some great tools I'm like I hear you but 2923 02:08:31,260 --> 02:08:27,470 I don't agree and you don't have to get 2924 02:08:34,030 --> 02:08:31,270 into kind of fist fights over ideas yeah 2925 02:08:35,560 --> 02:08:34,040 no no I was gonna say like the same 2926 02:08:36,550 --> 02:08:35,570 thing with with I know that bran had 2927 02:08:38,250 --> 02:08:36,560 mentioned that there's not gonna be any 2928 02:08:40,420 --> 02:08:38,260 political talk don't worry abramius 2929 02:08:42,010 --> 02:08:40,430 stands but there's a lot of political 2930 02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:42,020 going on in North America right now 2931 02:08:45,760 --> 02:08:44,330 some pretty heavy stuff and it's like 2932 02:08:46,810 --> 02:08:45,770 maybe I see things from a certain 2933 02:08:48,070 --> 02:08:46,820 perspective based on a lot of 2934 02:08:49,150 --> 02:08:48,080 information that's being seen some 2935 02:08:51,070 --> 02:08:49,160 people are getting information from 2936 02:08:52,270 --> 02:08:51,080 other places and maybe that information 2937 02:08:57,550 --> 02:08:52,280 is not true maybe the information I'm 2938 02:09:00,160 --> 02:08:57,560 not getting is true Robert Anton Wilson 2939 02:09:04,420 --> 02:09:00,170 talks about a reality tunnel right which 2940 02:09:07,090 --> 02:09:04,430 is is it is your view of the world and 2941 02:09:10,150 --> 02:09:07,100 what's happened technology is that 2942 02:09:12,850 --> 02:09:10,160 Facebook has reinforced the reality 2943 02:09:14,950 --> 02:09:12,860 tunnel right so if you're pro Trump all 2944 02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:14,960 yours going to see is all the good 2945 02:09:19,030 --> 02:09:16,970 things the Trump does if you're Andy 2946 02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:19,040 trunk all you're going to see in the 2947 02:09:22,480 --> 02:09:20,810 world is all the anti Trump stuff right 2948 02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:22,490 and as a result of that you're 2949 02:09:27,580 --> 02:09:24,890 belligerents about your belief system 2950 02:09:30,570 --> 02:09:27,590 grows exponentially because you never 2951 02:09:33,310 --> 02:09:30,580 see what the pro tunc person sees right 2952 02:09:35,320 --> 02:09:33,320 and which is one of the reasons why most 2953 02:09:37,510 --> 02:09:35,330 people when at least in my case I'm 2954 02:09:39,310 --> 02:09:37,520 gonna use myself as an example um I've 2955 02:09:40,900 --> 02:09:39,320 seen things from their perspective I've 2956 02:09:42,430 --> 02:09:40,910 seen things from the perspective of 2957 02:09:45,100 --> 02:09:42,440 other people and I've come to like a 2958 02:09:46,870 --> 02:09:45,110 third position on the matter and like if 2959 02:09:49,030 --> 02:09:46,880 I've got a conclusion on it it's like 2960 02:09:51,310 --> 02:09:49,040 this is you know there's a long list of 2961 02:09:53,110 --> 02:09:51,320 information sources that I have and this 2962 02:09:55,570 --> 02:09:53,120 is why and it's a it to be able to have 2963 02:09:57,130 --> 02:09:55,580 the discussion with people online and 2964 02:09:59,500 --> 02:09:57,140 this is the same with anybody else so 2965 02:10:02,040 --> 02:09:59,510 it's very fitting it takes 2966 02:10:04,270 --> 02:10:02,050 time to try and have that discussion and 2967 02:10:06,100 --> 02:10:04,280 you know there was one time that Laird 2968 02:10:08,290 --> 02:10:06,110 and I got into like no I'm not gonna say 2969 02:10:09,759 --> 02:10:08,300 a heated discussion but it was it was a 2970 02:10:11,859 --> 02:10:09,769 very passionate discussion that him and 2971 02:10:13,270 --> 02:10:11,869 I had on a very intellectual level and 2972 02:10:15,339 --> 02:10:13,280 he was doing it from his position from 2973 02:10:16,600 --> 02:10:15,349 living in upstate New York and I was 2974 02:10:18,729 --> 02:10:16,610 doing it from my position based in 2975 02:10:20,649 --> 02:10:18,739 living in Canada and experiencing the 2976 02:10:22,350 --> 02:10:20,659 same thing in Canada and it's like okay 2977 02:10:24,399 --> 02:10:22,360 so we both agree on the same thing 2978 02:10:25,450 --> 02:10:24,409 fundamentally but we're kind of 2979 02:10:27,729 --> 02:10:25,460 approaching it from different 2980 02:10:29,770 --> 02:10:27,739 perspectives and you know it's kind of 2981 02:10:31,209 --> 02:10:29,780 that understanding like yeah we both see 2982 02:10:33,790 --> 02:10:31,219 it from the same perspective but with 2983 02:10:35,709 --> 02:10:33,800 slightly different modifications based 2984 02:10:37,029 --> 02:10:35,719 on cultural differences and that 2985 02:10:39,939 --> 02:10:37,039 couldn't have happened if it didn't 2986 02:10:41,830 --> 02:10:39,949 happen based on very lengthy online 2987 02:10:44,140 --> 02:10:41,840 discussion or as my wife likes you say 2988 02:10:46,029 --> 02:10:44,150 internet your internet fights or your 2989 02:10:47,890 --> 02:10:46,039 internet talk which can sometimes take a 2990 02:10:49,810 --> 02:10:47,900 lot of time because getting to the root 2991 02:10:52,060 --> 02:10:49,820 of a problem can take a lot of time and 2992 02:10:54,310 --> 02:10:52,070 we and this age of social media do not 2993 02:10:57,850 --> 02:10:54,320 have that opportunity we do not have 2994 02:11:00,160 --> 02:10:57,860 that patience to walk through a 2995 02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:00,170 particular subject and I'm I'll be the 2996 02:11:05,379 --> 02:11:01,610 first person I say should I'm guilty of 2997 02:11:08,350 --> 02:11:05,389 that sometimes myself and yeah it's it's 2998 02:11:10,959 --> 02:11:08,360 sad to say that in this day and age we 2999 02:11:12,220 --> 02:11:10,969 have been conditioned as people to look 3000 02:11:16,779 --> 02:11:12,230 for the quick answer look for the quick 3001 02:11:18,250 --> 02:11:16,789 path look for that that that easy answer 3002 02:11:19,750 --> 02:11:18,260 in that that instantaneous gratification 3003 02:11:21,970 --> 02:11:19,760 whether it's from just knowing that 3004 02:11:23,830 --> 02:11:21,980 we're right about something and we don't 3005 02:11:26,649 --> 02:11:23,840 do what the ancient scholars and the 3006 02:11:30,490 --> 02:11:26,659 ancient you know thinkers those who have 3007 02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:30,500 this wisdom that we profess to adhere to 3008 02:11:36,100 --> 02:11:33,530 and admire we like these guys used to 3009 02:11:37,810 --> 02:11:36,110 talk around and get shit-faced drunk and 3010 02:11:40,839 --> 02:11:37,820 you know goodness knows what outdoor 3011 02:11:43,270 --> 02:11:40,849 auditorium talking philosophy until you 3012 02:11:46,930 --> 02:11:43,280 know good could last two three days and 3013 02:11:48,490 --> 02:11:46,940 I believe it was like do you remember 3014 02:11:50,290 --> 02:11:48,500 college you used to do that though I 3015 02:11:51,819 --> 02:11:50,300 mean you would sit around and with a 3016 02:11:54,339 --> 02:11:51,829 bottle of wine or beers or whatever and 3017 02:11:56,049 --> 02:11:54,349 just talk philosophy and you know I 3018 02:11:58,509 --> 02:11:56,059 don't have really I mean when Aaron 3019 02:12:00,069 --> 02:11:58,519 comes over and you know lund Kang's out 3020 02:12:02,770 --> 02:12:00,079 I'll let you know then we get to do it 3021 02:12:05,049 --> 02:12:02,780 but really you don't get to do it in in 3022 02:12:06,729 --> 02:12:05,059 daily life that much anymore no you 3023 02:12:09,279 --> 02:12:06,739 can't because we have to pay the bills 3024 02:12:11,410 --> 02:12:09,289 we've got it we are dedicate hours plus 3025 02:12:13,130 --> 02:12:11,420 to getting the money to pay those bills 3026 02:12:16,310 --> 02:12:13,140 we may have 3027 02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:16,320 you know certain social obligations or 3028 02:12:22,070 --> 02:12:20,490 familial app obligations yeah this this 3029 02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:22,080 takes time each one is going to be a 3030 02:12:33,110 --> 02:12:29,450 time muncher on Facebook for no reason 3031 02:12:36,980 --> 02:12:33,120 and you know and you know this kind of 3032 02:12:38,750 --> 02:12:36,990 goes back into I'm gonna try on 3033 02:12:41,480 --> 02:12:38,760 transition to watch this transition 3034 02:12:43,010 --> 02:12:41,490 people so it's been how awesome this 3035 02:12:46,070 --> 02:12:43,020 show is when I can do this so now we've 3036 02:12:47,600 --> 02:12:46,080 talked about the real world and the 3037 02:12:49,160 --> 02:12:47,610 alternate reality which is social media 3038 02:12:51,680 --> 02:12:49,170 one of the questions is coming from 3039 02:12:53,690 --> 02:12:51,690 Peter in in the YouTube chat which deals 3040 02:12:56,300 --> 02:12:53,700 with that type of duality in terms of 3041 02:12:58,730 --> 02:12:56,310 the alternate realm in this realm and 3042 02:13:01,580 --> 02:12:58,740 that's with regards to the equinoxes and 3043 02:13:03,350 --> 02:13:01,590 how a day and night what do you think as 3044 02:13:06,920 --> 02:13:03,360 far as the equinox is being day/night 3045 02:13:09,170 --> 02:13:06,930 equal on our realm and the material 3046 02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:09,180 realm and is that potentially the same 3047 02:13:15,680 --> 02:13:14,010 in terms of how time trying to say here 3048 02:13:17,480 --> 02:13:15,690 do you think that that is very similar 3049 02:13:18,470 --> 02:13:17,490 to how it is actually seen on the 3050 02:13:21,110 --> 02:13:18,480 non-cognitive 3051 02:13:23,990 --> 02:13:21,120 or the non-material realm you know 3052 02:13:26,360 --> 02:13:24,000 whether that and whether that's equinox 3053 02:13:28,970 --> 02:13:26,370 can be a point where contact can be made 3054 02:13:30,580 --> 02:13:28,980 or whether that contact point of being 3055 02:13:32,840 --> 02:13:30,590 able to pull from that information 3056 02:13:37,670 --> 02:13:32,850 matrix as you've mentioned being the 3057 02:13:44,859 --> 02:13:37,680 strongest well well as you would know I 3058 02:13:50,299 --> 02:13:47,600 Passover's one is that it Nick what else 3059 02:13:52,220 --> 02:13:50,309 oh that's a very good question if it's 3060 02:13:57,410 --> 02:13:52,230 um I think it's around like it's it's 3061 02:13:59,149 --> 02:13:57,420 around um well look I mean this is 3062 02:14:02,569 --> 02:13:59,159 something honestly that high is not as 3063 02:14:04,939 --> 02:14:02,579 outside of the area of my my specialty 3064 02:14:08,060 --> 02:14:04,949 but Lidz France and talks about two 3065 02:14:10,959 --> 02:14:08,070 times in the year where that is indeed 3066 02:14:14,870 --> 02:14:10,969 true I think the first thing is the time 3067 02:14:17,330 --> 02:14:14,880 really only is a creation of this 3068 02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:17,340 material reality so what does that mean 3069 02:14:22,189 --> 02:14:20,010 in the non material reality or in the 3070 02:14:26,290 --> 02:14:22,199 imaginal realm of these other realms I 3071 02:14:30,140 --> 02:14:26,300 don't know if they even exist in those 3072 02:14:32,030 --> 02:14:30,150 realities but yes I'm not the person I'm 3073 02:14:36,169 --> 02:14:32,040 sorry to answer that question my love I 3074 02:14:38,270 --> 02:14:36,179 apologize okay so a Peter if this is the 3075 02:14:39,620 --> 02:14:38,280 case get get in contact with Laird 3076 02:14:42,200 --> 02:14:39,630 sprint I know that we talked about it on 3077 02:14:44,810 --> 02:14:42,210 one of our shows yeah and he'd mentioned 3078 02:14:47,330 --> 02:14:44,820 it at length and it's one of the early 3079 02:14:49,310 --> 02:14:47,340 the the most recent shows he was blowing 3080 02:14:51,290 --> 02:14:49,320 on blowing my mind so hard that I was 3081 02:14:58,370 --> 02:14:51,300 just had this look of shock and awe my 3082 02:15:01,189 --> 02:14:58,380 face so just be prepared to have your no 3083 02:15:02,839 --> 02:15:01,199 it's Peters mentioned that he has done 3084 02:15:03,620 --> 02:15:02,849 it on that day and if this is the case 3085 02:15:07,790 --> 02:15:03,630 and this is something that maybe 3086 02:15:09,439 --> 02:15:07,800 requires further study I love to be able 3087 02:15:10,879 --> 02:15:09,449 to know more Peter so again don't don't 3088 02:15:12,399 --> 02:15:10,889 hesitate to add me to Facebook and we 3089 02:15:14,660 --> 02:15:12,409 can talk about it more when I've had 3090 02:15:19,580 --> 02:15:14,670 I'll tell you who else is really 3091 02:15:23,240 --> 02:15:19,590 interesting about that is Robert Laura 3092 02:15:27,470 --> 02:15:23,250 in his new book literally breaks down 3093 02:15:32,959 --> 02:15:27,480 the cycles of time and pinpoints times 3094 02:15:35,959 --> 02:15:32,969 when things are more easily transferred 3095 02:15:38,089 --> 02:15:35,969 so Robert Lola who was the person who 3096 02:15:40,220 --> 02:15:38,099 translated the Shana to Lubitsch books 3097 02:15:43,490 --> 02:15:40,230 his new book might be have helped you as 3098 02:15:47,990 --> 02:15:43,500 well yeah again do you know the name of 3099 02:15:55,270 --> 02:15:48,000 that book by any chance something of 3100 02:16:03,209 --> 02:16:01,060 a obituaries of no that's geometry at 3101 02:16:06,100 --> 02:16:03,219 the end of time at the end of time 3102 02:16:07,720 --> 02:16:06,110 proportions prophecy and power from by 3103 02:16:10,529 --> 02:16:07,730 Robert Lawler which was published in 3104 02:16:13,600 --> 02:16:10,539 2013 in November but believe it or not 3105 02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:13,610 and that I believe may be available on 3106 02:16:17,580 --> 02:16:15,530 Google Books or Amazon so you can go 3107 02:16:21,729 --> 02:16:17,590 check that out Peter 3108 02:16:23,680 --> 02:16:21,739 now I think there is one one more 3109 02:16:25,600 --> 02:16:23,690 question and this is coming from Lee and 3110 02:16:28,330 --> 02:16:25,610 you get a little bit off-topic but you 3111 02:16:29,919 --> 02:16:28,340 know well I'll ask it anyway and this is 3112 02:16:32,230 --> 02:16:29,929 more regards to the material realm and 3113 02:16:33,459 --> 02:16:32,240 he wanted to know with all the 3114 02:16:39,280 --> 02:16:33,469 information that's been going on with 3115 02:16:40,719 --> 02:16:39,290 regards to the you know to the abuses of 3116 02:16:43,780 --> 02:16:40,729 power of individuals whether you dealing 3117 02:16:45,549 --> 02:16:43,790 with with males or females who have who 3118 02:16:50,709 --> 02:16:45,559 may be preying on on weaker individuals 3119 02:16:52,959 --> 02:16:50,719 whether sexually or not the idea of the 3120 02:16:54,910 --> 02:16:52,969 Austrian royal commissions case into 3121 02:16:57,129 --> 02:16:54,920 child abuse at boarding schools over 3122 02:17:00,250 --> 02:16:57,139 there and are you aware of it and how 3123 02:17:03,219 --> 02:17:00,260 much should well I mean put it this way 3124 02:17:05,349 --> 02:17:03,229 I'm aware that there is I think it's 3125 02:17:07,440 --> 02:17:05,359 actually might have finished but yes 3126 02:17:09,940 --> 02:17:07,450 there's a big investigation about 3127 02:17:13,929 --> 02:17:09,950 pedophilia all over Australia 3128 02:17:15,700 --> 02:17:13,939 particularly in schools and churches but 3129 02:17:18,219 --> 02:17:15,710 yes there's a real commission so yes I'm 3130 02:17:19,929 --> 02:17:18,229 aware of it okay I I know that we here 3131 02:17:23,230 --> 02:17:19,939 in Canada have had commissions as well 3132 02:17:26,410 --> 02:17:23,240 based on the residential schools with 3133 02:17:28,660 --> 02:17:26,420 with aboriginals released the indigenous 3134 02:17:29,919 --> 02:17:28,670 individuals who were taken out of their 3135 02:17:31,599 --> 02:17:29,929 homes and essentially put into these 3136 02:17:34,000 --> 02:17:31,609 these schools which we're supposed to 3137 02:17:36,429 --> 02:17:34,010 take the the culture out of them in and 3138 02:17:39,450 --> 02:17:36,439 westernize them and lodge abuses had 3139 02:17:42,700 --> 02:17:39,460 happened there so is this inherent to 3140 02:17:44,820 --> 02:17:42,710 power structures or do you feel that the 3141 02:17:47,139 --> 02:17:44,830 power structures attract these types of 3142 02:17:48,790 --> 02:17:47,149 you know the this type of negative 3143 02:17:50,410 --> 02:17:48,800 energy I should say well I'll use this 3144 02:17:52,750 --> 02:17:50,420 on a negative standpoint because it's 3145 02:17:55,389 --> 02:17:52,760 not necessarily normal behavior when it 3146 02:17:59,400 --> 02:17:55,399 comes to rational you know compassionate 3147 02:18:02,559 --> 02:17:59,410 individuals so it is this more of a 3148 02:18:03,910 --> 02:18:02,569 power attracting this type of energy or 3149 02:18:07,450 --> 02:18:03,920 do you think it's more of its inherent 3150 02:18:13,690 --> 02:18:07,460 within that particular type of structure 3151 02:18:16,480 --> 02:18:13,700 I think that it is and I think it breaks 3152 02:18:18,190 --> 02:18:16,490 into two different two to let put it 3153 02:18:19,690 --> 02:18:18,200 this way I watch a lot of YouTube it's 3154 02:18:21,100 --> 02:18:19,700 nothing that we've really researched as 3155 02:18:23,140 --> 02:18:21,110 much but I think it breaks down into two 3156 02:18:26,350 --> 02:18:23,150 different areas I think there is one 3157 02:18:31,020 --> 02:18:26,360 area where it is used to control and I 3158 02:18:37,629 --> 02:18:35,020 pedophilia as a way to compromise people 3159 02:18:39,850 --> 02:18:37,639 in power so that they can control them I 3160 02:18:42,780 --> 02:18:39,860 do believe that it is it is used to 3161 02:18:48,750 --> 02:18:42,790 control I think that there is another 3162 02:18:55,540 --> 02:18:48,760 dark magical utilization of children for 3163 02:18:59,770 --> 02:18:55,550 dark magical acts for kind of even 3164 02:19:03,310 --> 02:18:59,780 vampirism kind of aspects which is 3165 02:19:05,799 --> 02:19:03,320 really dark and really scary and I 3166 02:19:08,709 --> 02:19:05,809 really believe that it exists now is 3167 02:19:14,110 --> 02:19:08,719 that part I think if you look at the 3168 02:19:16,930 --> 02:19:14,120 history of the rulers for example Madame 3169 02:19:20,200 --> 02:19:16,940 Bathory here's a really great example of 3170 02:19:25,480 --> 02:19:20,210 a ruler that utilized the blood of young 3171 02:19:28,120 --> 02:19:25,490 women to maintain her beauty has that 3172 02:19:31,780 --> 02:19:28,130 travelled down through the ages 3173 02:19:36,910 --> 02:19:31,790 I have no definitive answer to that but 3174 02:19:38,709 --> 02:19:36,920 we do have historical precedent it's not 3175 02:19:40,390 --> 02:19:38,719 ever said you know I really haven't 3176 02:19:43,000 --> 02:19:40,400 researched it deeply but I do believe 3177 02:19:44,469 --> 02:19:43,010 absolutely that is utilized to control 3178 02:19:47,169 --> 02:19:44,479 the palette and fits the people in power 3179 02:19:48,339 --> 02:19:47,179 and I do believe there's a dark magical 3180 02:19:50,440 --> 02:19:48,349 aspect to it does that answer that 3181 02:19:52,480 --> 02:19:50,450 question I would say at least from from 3182 02:19:54,670 --> 02:19:52,490 that standpoint yes and I'm gonna get 3183 02:19:56,260 --> 02:19:54,680 more to the esoteric in this standpoint 3184 02:20:00,280 --> 02:19:56,270 and at least for my own researchers and 3185 02:20:02,770 --> 02:20:00,290 from what I've been told from from a 3186 02:20:05,070 --> 02:20:02,780 magical standpoint and from everything 3187 02:20:07,150 --> 02:20:05,080 I've learned from Freemasonry and how 3188 02:20:10,480 --> 02:20:07,160 you know this type of energy is supposed 3189 02:20:12,730 --> 02:20:10,490 to flow in terms of being used towards a 3190 02:20:14,860 --> 02:20:12,740 constructive end inherently the universe 3191 02:20:16,750 --> 02:20:14,870 is neutral it's it's not necessarily 3192 02:20:18,280 --> 02:20:16,760 good it's not necessarily bad existence 3193 02:20:19,719 --> 02:20:18,290 is good because we you know we can all 3194 02:20:21,639 --> 02:20:19,729 admit that waking up on a Saturday 3195 02:20:26,290 --> 02:20:21,649 morning and watching cartoons is 3196 02:20:32,139 --> 02:20:26,300 having that ability is great but if the 3197 02:20:34,210 --> 02:20:32,149 energy is I'm going to say like a karma 3198 02:20:36,160 --> 02:20:34,220 for instance karma is real if you put 3199 02:20:38,889 --> 02:20:36,170 good energy out you get good energy back 3200 02:20:40,809 --> 02:20:38,899 and this seems to be a reoccurring theme 3201 02:20:43,290 --> 02:20:40,819 throughout multiple cultures and 3202 02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:43,300 multiple belief systems and multiple 3203 02:20:49,210 --> 02:20:47,210 realms of esotericism that if you are 3204 02:20:51,910 --> 02:20:49,220 going to be using energy for good 3205 02:20:53,260 --> 02:20:51,920 purposes you will get that energy back 3206 02:20:55,059 --> 02:20:53,270 and the universe will provide you 3207 02:20:57,309 --> 02:20:55,069 because you are inherently trying to add 3208 02:21:01,840 --> 02:20:57,319 to it in a positive and constructive end 3209 02:21:03,219 --> 02:21:01,850 and and Matt constructive and I'm going 3210 02:21:04,809 --> 02:21:03,229 to use the term sustainable manner 3211 02:21:06,729 --> 02:21:04,819 you're trying to feed back into the 3212 02:21:08,830 --> 02:21:06,739 system in a way that gives back but if 3213 02:21:10,090 --> 02:21:08,840 you're just taking from the system then 3214 02:21:11,710 --> 02:21:10,100 all you're doing is creating a negative 3215 02:21:15,729 --> 02:21:11,720 feedback all it's going to do is just 3216 02:21:18,849 --> 02:21:15,739 it's like if you you know like that 3217 02:21:20,260 --> 02:21:18,859 that's if your ever took physics class 3218 02:21:22,660 --> 02:21:20,270 or chemistry class where you stood in a 3219 02:21:23,979 --> 02:21:22,670 chain with an Allen generator and it's 3220 02:21:25,990 --> 02:21:23,989 like all that energy is being pulled 3221 02:21:27,099 --> 02:21:26,000 through and it's all it is is just going 3222 02:21:28,960 --> 02:21:27,109 to a ground you're taking out of that 3223 02:21:30,700 --> 02:21:28,970 system but the moment that you let go of 3224 02:21:32,469 --> 02:21:30,710 you know everyone lets go of that ground 3225 02:21:36,130 --> 02:21:32,479 all the energy just hits you at the same 3226 02:21:39,160 --> 02:21:36,140 time where you know if you're looking at 3227 02:21:41,050 --> 02:21:39,170 the flow of energy if electricity you 3228 02:21:43,420 --> 02:21:41,060 being kind of a physical manifestation 3229 02:21:45,639 --> 02:21:43,430 of that same that you know that that 3230 02:21:47,590 --> 02:21:45,649 same overall force that it would seem 3231 02:21:49,090 --> 02:21:47,600 that if you're doing bad that bad 3232 02:21:51,309 --> 02:21:49,100 shits gonna happen to you it's so if 3233 02:21:55,450 --> 02:21:51,319 you're doing bad it's being done 3234 02:21:57,519 --> 02:21:55,460 because there is some type of I'm gonna 3235 02:21:59,019 --> 02:21:57,529 say superstition or some type of 3236 02:22:02,139 --> 02:21:59,029 misplaced belief that it will actually 3237 02:22:03,849 --> 02:22:02,149 create a positive effect where in all 3238 02:22:06,849 --> 02:22:03,859 honesty all you're doing is just hurting 3239 02:22:09,639 --> 02:22:06,859 yourself in the long run but look at the 3240 02:22:12,519 --> 02:22:09,649 chance for example okay so look at the 3241 02:22:14,769 --> 02:22:12,529 Queen right okay so if anybody is using 3242 02:22:17,050 --> 02:22:14,779 magic just from a history list in 3243 02:22:20,320 --> 02:22:17,060 perspective the Queen would be utilizing 3244 02:22:23,050 --> 02:22:20,330 magic because again you know if there's 3245 02:22:25,149 --> 02:22:23,060 a history of magic there was John Dee 3246 02:22:28,809 --> 02:22:25,159 for example right worked for Queen 3247 02:22:31,929 --> 02:22:28,819 Victoria Elizabeth anyway the Queen 3248 02:22:34,840 --> 02:22:31,939 doesn't look like bad shit's happening 3249 02:22:37,090 --> 02:22:34,850 to her per se you know the Queen 3250 02:22:39,250 --> 02:22:37,100 lives in a palace is the richest woman 3251 02:22:41,679 --> 02:22:39,260 on the planet right okay so the 3252 02:22:44,019 --> 02:22:41,689 Rothschilds same thing you know Hillary 3253 02:22:47,410 --> 02:22:44,029 Clinton the same thing you know I I 3254 02:22:49,780 --> 02:22:47,420 don't know I don't know if it works like 3255 02:22:53,019 --> 02:22:49,790 that and and I think that perhaps if you 3256 02:22:55,090 --> 02:22:53,029 were to get a Peter LaVonda who has the 3257 02:22:57,639 --> 02:22:55,100 book who's we've interviewed in for the 3258 02:23:00,280 --> 02:22:57,649 show sinister forces he looks at the 3259 02:23:02,290 --> 02:23:00,290 history of sinister forces and would 3260 02:23:03,849 --> 02:23:02,300 really be able to add I think some 3261 02:23:06,790 --> 02:23:03,859 really valuable insight to this 3262 02:23:08,290 --> 02:23:06,800 discussion because that is a very 3263 02:23:11,280 --> 02:23:08,300 in-depth subject that he's researched 3264 02:23:14,920 --> 02:23:11,290 but III don't 3265 02:23:16,960 --> 02:23:14,930 IIIi don't see the people doing bad bad 3266 02:23:19,210 --> 02:23:16,970 things happening to them I think that 3267 02:23:21,880 --> 02:23:19,220 comma is very very real I think there is 3268 02:23:24,790 --> 02:23:21,890 instant comma but I think comma plays 3269 02:23:26,769 --> 02:23:24,800 out on a much longer time frame then we 3270 02:23:30,280 --> 02:23:26,779 can witness and that's why the 3271 02:23:32,889 --> 02:23:30,290 Kardashians for example have the lives 3272 02:23:36,070 --> 02:23:32,899 that they have you know and and for 3273 02:23:39,820 --> 02:23:36,080 example you know like the people John 3274 02:23:44,380 --> 02:23:39,830 Anthony West who added so much good 3275 02:23:46,750 --> 02:23:44,390 information into the matrix had to have 3276 02:23:49,510 --> 02:23:46,760 a Kickstarter to be able to pay for 3277 02:23:52,090 --> 02:23:49,520 medicine so when I look at the people 3278 02:23:55,750 --> 02:23:52,100 that I interact with the people that are 3279 02:23:58,120 --> 02:23:55,760 the biggest bringers of wisdom into the 3280 02:24:00,969 --> 02:23:58,130 matrix they all are struggling to 3281 02:24:03,639 --> 02:24:00,979 survive and Kim Kardashian has more 3282 02:24:09,070 --> 02:24:03,649 money than God right so I'm not seeing 3283 02:24:10,630 --> 02:24:09,080 the comma play out in as quick like as 3284 02:24:13,000 --> 02:24:10,640 quickly as John West needs it to be 3285 02:24:16,120 --> 02:24:13,010 playing out or as quickly as lon needs 3286 02:24:17,859 --> 02:24:16,130 it to be playing out and also to the 3287 02:24:19,240 --> 02:24:17,869 same track timing I know I'm gonna pull 3288 02:24:22,540 --> 02:24:19,250 it not in sorry play devil's advocate 3289 02:24:24,939 --> 02:24:22,550 but when dealing with a rich and 3290 02:24:26,530 --> 02:24:24,949 powerful people not just that everyone's 3291 02:24:27,760 --> 02:24:26,540 good because there's a lot of bad 3292 02:24:30,219 --> 02:24:27,770 that goes on if you look at the world 3293 02:24:32,200 --> 02:24:30,229 nowadays there's some powerful people 3294 02:24:34,059 --> 02:24:32,210 doing some bad and not necessarily 3295 02:24:35,530 --> 02:24:34,069 for your your best interest but for 3296 02:24:38,380 --> 02:24:35,540 their best interests and there are their 3297 02:24:42,010 --> 02:24:38,390 friends best interests I've also found 3298 02:24:44,290 --> 02:24:42,020 that in history the a lot of the 3299 02:24:46,120 --> 02:24:44,300 accounts can may or may not be 3300 02:24:48,520 --> 02:24:46,130 necessarily written accurately or it 3301 02:24:50,230 --> 02:24:48,530 could be written by individuals who they 3302 02:24:52,091 --> 02:24:50,240 here rumor the person is unpopular 3303 02:24:54,220 --> 02:24:52,101 because they're doing something that is 3304 02:24:58,690 --> 02:24:54,230 unpopular and there's going to be 3305 02:24:59,591 --> 02:24:58,700 grossly outlandish things written about 3306 02:25:02,290 --> 02:24:59,601 them 3307 02:25:04,330 --> 02:25:02,300 the Egyptians being or in the Egyptians 3308 02:25:06,640 --> 02:25:04,340 case at least if you know later on in 3309 02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:06,650 the Middle Kingdom and beyond if you 3310 02:25:14,020 --> 02:25:09,050 were an unpopular ruler your successor 3311 02:25:15,461 --> 02:25:14,030 may just wipe you from history so these 3312 02:25:18,160 --> 02:25:15,471 are things that are also a possibility 3313 02:25:19,180 --> 02:25:18,170 so it like I'm again for myself it's 3314 02:25:21,070 --> 02:25:19,190 kind of like sitting down with somebody 3315 02:25:23,171 --> 02:25:21,080 who knows about as much as I do and 3316 02:25:25,690 --> 02:25:23,181 trying to get their perspective on these 3317 02:25:28,540 --> 02:25:25,700 types of things because you know if you 3318 02:25:31,211 --> 02:25:28,550 look at the socratic you know the 3319 02:25:33,131 --> 02:25:31,221 Socratic filter the idea of okay is this 3320 02:25:36,551 --> 02:25:33,141 information useful to me is it a 3321 02:25:37,930 --> 02:25:36,561 something that is is good or bad about 3322 02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:37,940 the person you know what's the 3323 02:25:41,440 --> 02:25:39,290 motivation behind this thing you know 3324 02:25:43,870 --> 02:25:41,450 this being told is this something that's 3325 02:25:45,551 --> 02:25:43,880 being that is propaganda or is it you 3326 02:25:46,841 --> 02:25:45,561 know what is the what is the source of 3327 02:25:48,910 --> 02:25:46,851 the information what why are they 3328 02:25:50,921 --> 02:25:48,920 telling it to me is it going to help 3329 02:25:52,570 --> 02:25:50,931 shine you know lights so from that 3330 02:25:57,461 --> 02:25:52,580 standpoint I always have to try and 3331 02:26:00,390 --> 02:25:57,471 balance that you believe in past light 3332 02:26:05,970 --> 02:26:00,400 or do you believe in multiple lives 3333 02:26:10,631 --> 02:26:05,980 nothing nation I think as bility us from 3334 02:26:13,030 --> 02:26:10,641 basically from my kind of the 3335 02:26:16,270 --> 02:26:13,040 compilation of all the studies that I 3336 02:26:18,881 --> 02:26:16,280 have done I kind of have this feeling 3337 02:26:21,341 --> 02:26:18,891 that we're here to learn things right 3338 02:26:22,780 --> 02:26:21,351 we're here to learn things and I kind of 3339 02:26:25,150 --> 02:26:22,790 get the feeling that there really is no 3340 02:26:27,490 --> 02:26:25,160 good and there really is no bad from 3341 02:26:29,940 --> 02:26:27,500 that perspective from the higher level 3342 02:26:33,761 --> 02:26:29,950 okay and I kind of get the feeling that 3343 02:26:36,070 --> 02:26:33,771 we come into incarnation to get it you 3344 02:26:38,320 --> 02:26:36,080 know and once we get that lesson we get 3345 02:26:40,750 --> 02:26:38,330 another lesson right and 3346 02:26:44,769 --> 02:26:40,760 [Music] 3347 02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:44,779 that and so good and bad for instance an 3348 02:26:48,130 --> 02:26:46,010 example that I was giving which i think 3349 02:26:49,960 --> 02:26:48,140 is a great example is that i wanted to 3350 02:26:53,080 --> 02:26:49,970 come into this life let's say to learn 3351 02:26:55,809 --> 02:26:53,090 about abundance okay being a bum on the 3352 02:26:58,260 --> 02:26:55,819 street is just as valid of a lesson 3353 02:27:00,010 --> 02:26:58,270 about learning of abundance as by being 3354 02:27:02,620 --> 02:27:00,020 kim kardashian 3355 02:27:05,440 --> 02:27:02,630 they both valid lessons about abundance 3356 02:27:07,269 --> 02:27:05,450 one is having it one is not from the 3357 02:27:09,580 --> 02:27:07,279 perspective of up there or wherever we 3358 02:27:13,450 --> 02:27:09,590 come from there is valid but when you're 3359 02:27:18,880 --> 02:27:16,450 so it's not necessarily it's not 3360 02:27:20,830 --> 02:27:18,890 necessarily the experience as the way 3361 02:27:23,290 --> 02:27:20,840 you perceive it but it's what lesson can 3362 02:27:25,510 --> 02:27:23,300 be learned from that experience that can 3363 02:27:27,010 --> 02:27:25,520 help you either become a more 3364 02:27:28,450 --> 02:27:27,020 compassionate person become a more 3365 02:27:31,389 --> 02:27:28,460 knowledgeable person whether in this 3366 02:27:32,769 --> 02:27:31,399 plane or the next or or as a Mason you 3367 02:27:39,939 --> 02:27:32,779 know makes smoothing out the rough 3368 02:27:41,469 --> 02:27:39,949 ashlar right perfecting the that's it's 3369 02:27:44,110 --> 02:27:41,479 an ongoing process it's it's it's an 3370 02:27:46,660 --> 02:27:44,120 ideal to adhere to it's like this the 3371 02:27:50,139 --> 02:27:46,670 idea of the perfect ashlar it's the this 3372 02:27:52,630 --> 02:27:50,149 is an upright and and moral person you 3373 02:27:55,689 --> 02:27:52,640 know you're you know you're the perfect 3374 02:27:58,300 --> 02:27:55,699 individual in terms of being like good 3375 02:28:01,510 --> 02:27:58,310 in terms of like here well you're you 3376 02:28:04,990 --> 02:28:01,520 know what is good but still it you know 3377 02:28:07,689 --> 02:28:05,000 you're your average good person who just 3378 02:28:10,780 --> 02:28:07,699 does what's necessary to be done to help 3379 02:28:13,780 --> 02:28:10,790 others to help your family to be that 3380 02:28:16,510 --> 02:28:13,790 kind courteous and and humble individual 3381 02:28:20,349 --> 02:28:16,520 and nobody's perfect you're always gonna 3382 02:28:22,120 --> 02:28:20,359 have that day to day but really it's a 3383 02:28:24,280 --> 02:28:22,130 really good example for me and again 3384 02:28:26,920 --> 02:28:24,290 Mike pasio talks about you know if 3385 02:28:31,540 --> 02:28:26,930 you're giving an order that you know is 3386 02:28:36,550 --> 02:28:31,550 bad right is immoral and you do it okay 3387 02:28:39,490 --> 02:28:36,560 that is compromising that is not being 3388 02:28:43,929 --> 02:28:39,500 true that is not that is not perfecting 3389 02:28:45,309 --> 02:28:43,939 your Ashland right or is it I'm sorry 3390 02:28:47,170 --> 02:28:45,319 actually I had you cut out on that one 3391 02:28:49,000 --> 02:28:47,180 on my oh my head I'm sorry I'm just 3392 02:28:50,559 --> 02:28:49,010 saying that with you know there's 3393 02:28:53,950 --> 02:28:50,569 something that's moral to do and then 3394 02:28:58,720 --> 02:28:53,960 you do and then you do use immoral and 3395 02:29:02,860 --> 02:29:01,060 with that but anyway I understand what 3396 02:29:06,091 --> 02:29:02,870 you're saying I just think that the 3397 02:29:09,730 --> 02:29:06,101 process of perfecting the person takes 3398 02:29:11,831 --> 02:29:09,740 possibly many lives to accomplish that 3399 02:29:13,871 --> 02:29:11,841 and I don't think we necessarily say 3400 02:29:16,631 --> 02:29:13,881 that from a freemason standpoint like if 3401 02:29:18,161 --> 02:29:16,641 we look at it from a standpoint of like 3402 02:29:20,461 --> 02:29:18,171 if if you die you're accountable to 3403 02:29:22,990 --> 02:29:20,471 somebody so like all of your actions are 3404 02:29:24,850 --> 02:29:23,000 seen and written down by some higher 3405 02:29:26,110 --> 02:29:24,860 power whatever you know whether whether 3406 02:29:29,051 --> 02:29:26,120 you're you're whatever whatever higher 3407 02:29:30,730 --> 02:29:29,061 power your faith prescribes a higher 3408 02:29:32,381 --> 02:29:30,740 power to be and that's supposed to be 3409 02:29:33,520 --> 02:29:32,391 motivation to say it's like you're you 3410 02:29:35,621 --> 02:29:33,530 know the all-seeing eye will always 3411 02:29:37,570 --> 02:29:35,631 always be looking at you because it's 3412 02:29:40,511 --> 02:29:37,580 like you're always going to be watched 3413 02:29:42,251 --> 02:29:40,521 so like make sure you can remember the 3414 02:29:45,400 --> 02:29:42,261 lessons you've learned to not be a 3415 02:29:47,650 --> 02:29:45,410 complete every single day of 3416 02:29:49,421 --> 02:29:47,660 your life and that ashlar is supposed to 3417 02:29:51,310 --> 02:29:49,431 be the thing that we judge ourselves 3418 02:29:52,990 --> 02:29:51,320 against to say like a mime you know am i 3419 02:29:54,400 --> 02:29:53,000 that good of a person yet what am I 3420 02:29:56,140 --> 02:29:54,410 forgetting what am i not doing what is 3421 02:29:59,320 --> 02:29:56,150 it that I could do to be a better person 3422 02:30:05,110 --> 02:29:59,330 in a given situation you know there have 3423 02:30:07,270 --> 02:30:05,120 been situation or lies on it so whether 3424 02:30:08,831 --> 02:30:07,280 from certain stand points and certain 3425 02:30:10,091 --> 02:30:08,841 philosophies it could be taken you know 3426 02:30:11,711 --> 02:30:10,101 it could take multiple lifetimes it 3427 02:30:13,301 --> 02:30:11,721 could take one you know it could take it 3428 02:30:15,761 --> 02:30:13,311 out you can take an afternoon for your 3429 02:30:18,310 --> 02:30:15,771 really astute person who is just really 3430 02:30:21,100 --> 02:30:18,320 good at you know modifying themselves in 3431 02:30:23,291 --> 02:30:21,110 terms of personality I love Alan Watts 3432 02:30:25,091 --> 02:30:23,301 is just decide basically Alan what's his 3433 02:30:32,011 --> 02:30:25,101 decide to be enlightened I haven't been 3434 02:30:34,541 --> 02:30:32,021 able to do that yet what's enlightenment 3435 02:30:37,900 --> 02:30:34,551 I've had individuals who have spent time 3436 02:30:40,451 --> 02:30:37,910 Laura London for instance had spent time 3437 02:30:44,051 --> 02:30:40,461 with with Buddhist monks and you know 3438 02:30:45,640 --> 02:30:44,061 her outlook on how their perspective on 3439 02:30:47,470 --> 02:30:45,650 how life should be lived did not 3440 02:30:49,961 --> 02:30:47,480 necessarily align with how she viewed 3441 02:30:52,091 --> 02:30:49,971 the world and who's to say that they're 3442 02:30:53,261 --> 02:30:52,101 right is you know giving up all of your 3443 02:30:54,850 --> 02:30:53,271 possessions and wearing robes and 3444 02:30:57,430 --> 02:30:54,860 shaving your head and not eating 3445 02:31:00,371 --> 02:30:57,440 anything that could take multiple meals 3446 02:31:02,560 --> 02:31:00,381 to to cook for instances is that you 3447 02:31:06,280 --> 02:31:02,570 know is that right or is it wrong who 3448 02:31:07,841 --> 02:31:06,290 are we really to say you know that 3449 02:31:09,581 --> 02:31:07,851 that's the most interesting part about 3450 02:31:11,410 --> 02:31:09,591 this journey is that it's ongoing 3451 02:31:13,600 --> 02:31:11,420 you're constantly expanding 3452 02:31:16,060 --> 02:31:13,610 or perspectives and and constantly 3453 02:31:18,429 --> 02:31:16,070 expanding your understanding to add to 3454 02:31:23,230 --> 02:31:18,439 your own experience which adds to your 3455 02:31:24,730 --> 02:31:23,240 own answer to what the universe is to 3456 02:31:27,580 --> 02:31:24,740 you and it's different to me than it is 3457 02:31:30,010 --> 02:31:27,590 to you that it is to bram in chat that 3458 02:31:31,840 --> 02:31:30,020 it is to you know tyson whose curl up 3459 02:31:33,910 --> 02:31:31,850 into a ball here he's just happy that if 3460 02:31:35,020 --> 02:31:33,920 i give him you know pets at the end of 3461 02:31:36,730 --> 02:31:35,030 the day and when i wake up he's gonna be 3462 02:31:41,500 --> 02:31:36,740 like rub my belly and for him that's 3463 02:31:43,330 --> 02:31:41,510 perfect you know well sweetie I'm so 3464 02:31:45,250 --> 02:31:43,340 sorry I must go because I have people 3465 02:31:47,560 --> 02:31:45,260 coming over and I have to cook food for 3466 02:31:51,240 --> 02:31:47,570 them which I because I was actually 3467 02:31:54,610 --> 02:31:51,250 wrapping things up that was the ogres 3468 02:31:56,530 --> 02:31:54,620 you know I'm like it we we reached our 3469 02:31:59,580 --> 02:31:56,540 target time and this is a little bit 3470 02:32:01,570 --> 02:31:59,590 longer than the average show but you've 3471 02:32:03,280 --> 02:32:01,580 you know you've taken the time and 3472 02:32:08,020 --> 02:32:03,290 you've been very patient to join us here 3473 02:32:09,700 --> 02:32:08,030 in the den today and thank you so much 3474 02:32:11,770 --> 02:32:09,710 it's been really enjoyable sorry I 3475 02:32:14,710 --> 02:32:11,780 couldn't answer every question but I 3476 02:32:16,540 --> 02:32:14,720 have really had a great time again it's 3477 02:32:18,820 --> 02:32:16,550 always a pleasure to converse with you 3478 02:32:20,290 --> 02:32:18,830 over Skype and I'm very grateful and 3479 02:32:22,270 --> 02:32:20,300 very appreciative of you taking the time 3480 02:32:27,910 --> 02:32:22,280 and I'm sure that the denizens are as 3481 02:32:29,670 --> 02:32:27,920 well so I'm going to I'm gonna play this 3482 02:32:33,100 --> 02:32:29,680 is this this is from our sandwich 3483 02:32:34,780 --> 02:32:33,110 contest or sammich contest from below in 3484 02:32:36,850 --> 02:32:34,790 the year but it's called join the 3485 02:32:38,920 --> 02:32:36,860 restaurant which fits in with how I'm 3486 02:32:41,170 --> 02:32:38,930 feeling as well as you get the fact 3487 02:32:43,900 --> 02:32:41,180 you're cooking food so we'll play that 3488 02:32:44,230 --> 02:32:43,910 on the outro there we go can you hear 3489 02:32:47,179 --> 02:32:44,240 that 3490 02:32:52,160 --> 02:32:48,950 I couldn't hear before though sweetie 3491 02:32:53,630 --> 02:32:52,170 you could hear before now when you play 3492 02:32:57,410 --> 02:32:53,640 the beginning ones so I think I'm not 3493 02:33:06,800 --> 02:32:57,420 plugged into the music okay soon get 3494 02:33:10,160 --> 02:33:06,810 that working huh but now no ok well the 3495 02:33:14,440 --> 02:33:10,170 recap well ladies and gentlemen this has 3496 02:33:19,070 --> 02:33:14,450 been a dental floor episode 70 / 3497 02:33:22,250 --> 02:33:19,080 masterclass for November it has been a 3498 02:33:23,510 --> 02:33:22,260 nun prompt to show which with one of the 3499 02:33:26,030 --> 02:33:23,520 most amazing people that I know and have 3500 02:33:28,639 --> 02:33:26,040 the pleasure of talking to Venise McNeal 3501 02:33:31,070 --> 02:33:28,649 from magical Egypt Venise again thank 3502 02:33:34,010 --> 02:33:31,080 you very much and thank you all of you 3503 02:33:36,290 --> 02:33:34,020 for waiting up with me on a Friday until 3504 02:33:38,780 --> 02:33:36,300 1 o'clock in the morning Eastern 3505 02:33:40,130 --> 02:33:38,790 Standard Time and go check out the 3506 02:33:41,330 --> 02:33:40,140 discord server if you want to go we'll 3507 02:33:42,020 --> 02:33:41,340 to continue the conversation I'll be 3508 02:33:44,900 --> 02:33:42,030 there for a bit 3509 02:33:48,230 --> 02:33:44,910 I know Venise you've got a cook for your 3510 02:33:50,900 --> 02:33:48,240 company and I'm sure if you can cook as 3511 02:33:52,490 --> 02:33:50,910 lovely as you can converse and as lovely 3512 02:33:56,990 --> 02:33:52,500 as company as you are I'm sure they're 3513 02:34:00,410 --> 02:33:57,000 gonna have a fantastic time yes so this 3514 02:34:01,639 --> 02:34:00,420 has been the 2017 live shows we may 3515 02:34:03,440 --> 02:34:01,649 still have one coming up from George 3516 02:34:06,139 --> 02:34:03,450 Howard gotta talk to him he just 3517 02:34:08,570 --> 02:34:06,149 finished tearing down a dam in the 3518 02:34:11,440 --> 02:34:08,580 Carolinas so that river could flow once 3519 02:34:14,389 --> 02:34:11,450 more I'm gonna let him rest a bit 3520 02:34:16,760 --> 02:34:14,399 because he's that ton of media 3521 02:34:18,139 --> 02:34:16,770 obligations dealing with that but that 3522 02:34:21,530 --> 02:34:18,149 should come hopefully within the next 2 3523 02:34:23,750 --> 02:34:21,540 weeks or less you know and yeah that 3524 02:34:25,850 --> 02:34:23,760 that's been it so I'm going to switch on 3525 02:34:29,719 --> 02:34:25,860 my next week's segment please tell me 3526 02:34:33,370 --> 02:34:29,729 it's right 7th yes it is so ladies and 3527 02:34:35,990 --> 02:34:33,380 gentlemen thank you so very much and 3528 02:34:39,010 --> 02:34:36,000 have yourself a wonderful holidays 3529 02:34:41,900 --> 02:34:39,020 Christmas Kwanzaa Happy Hanukkah and 3530 02:34:43,550 --> 02:34:41,910 Festivus for the rest of us let your 3531 02:34:45,110 --> 02:34:43,560 feats of strength be many and don't 3532 02:34:48,500 --> 02:34:45,120 don't don't get into any fistfights 3533 02:34:51,380 --> 02:34:48,510 during the air of grievances so that 3534 02:34:54,090 --> 02:34:51,390 that is my closing statement yeah I'm 3535 02:35:05,170 --> 02:34:54,100 just gonna just gonna feed this out here 3536 02:35:06,660 --> 02:35:05,180 [Music]